Mexican drug violence spills over into the US

Mexican drug violence spills over into the US

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Just as government officials had feared, the drug violence raging in Mexico is spilling over into the United States.
U.S. authorities are reporting a spike in killings, kidnappings and home invasions connected to Mexico's murderous cartels. And to some policymakers' surprise, much of the violence is happening not in towns along the border, where it was assumed the bloodshed would spread, but a considerable distance away, in places such as Phoenix and Atlanta.

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Hello MSM and federal government? Where are you on this one? Funny how we can finance wars in other countries but we can't protect our own citizens from being kidnapped and having their heads lopped off. The media can go to town on Phelps for holding a freakin' bong in a picture yet ignore things like this.

We send 28.5 billion dollars in drug money to the drug cartels and also sell them their weapons. We are supporting them. We made them. Big surprise eh? We make our own enemies? That's never happened before...

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Makes you wonder what the real message of the 'No country for old men' was all about....

Subtle?

Why can't we just legalize the various stuffs and get on with life? These issues were the selfsame issues we saw crop up when we prohibited alcohol, and represent why we stopped that prohibition.

You'd think we'd learn!

reply to post by Amaterasu


We'll treat this as we do our national debt, pretend it's not there.

The government doesn't care about national security, otherwise they would close the border for real. Still at the border, the guards are treating you like garbage... same thing at the airports...

While all this is happening.

The fastest way to end this madness without closing the borders is legalising drugs.

Otherwise, CLOSE THE BORDER.

And Mexico better not cry because they are doing worse thing at their border with Guatamela.

And we all know why they don't care about all this, the prison money, the drug money, the government powers and of course the coming North American Union.

[edit on 9-2-2009 by Vitchilo]

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Why can't we just legalize the various stuffs and get on with life? These issues were the selfsame issues we saw crop up when we prohibited alcohol, and represent why we stopped that prohibition.

You'd think we'd learn!

I don't think it's so much the drugs themselves as it is a rampant gang-violence culture.

I am traveling to Juarez next month for a week so it should be interesting.

In my reading-up about the background of the area it looks like there has been a massive 'femicide' that has been going on for years in which women on the street are brutally attacked, raped and killed at the whims of the gangs.

280 murders so far this year in Juarez... God help us.

I am a conservative an I am all for the end of "prohibition" on certain drugs. Hell, a good % the junkies are on legal drugs like Oxycontin anyway.

Prohibition made the mafia in the 1900's.

Have the tobacco companies grow it, package it, serialize each cigarette, and sell them only in liquor stores with a "special" debit card (prepaid by registered user).

Each cigarette / joint would be serialized and if anyone except the registered user is caught with one (especially anyone underage of 21 for example for sure) they (they registered buyer) would be subject to a mandatory $1,000 fine and community service or something similar (yeah dopehead, you have to be responsible). That way we can require registered users to have a drug safe at home and a package lock to keep it out of the wrong hands. (use the gun grabbers tactics for this one)

Undercut the price of illegal drugs by like 90%, most of the cost would be tax anyway (if you didn't know a whole carton of cigarettes costs less than $3 to produce and ship, the rest is profit margin and taxes so we can easily do this with marijuana, price it cheaper than anything illegal and pretty much make it unprofitalbe to smuggle # into the country. And if anyone can grow the crap and package it, and make it cheap, it would be the tobacco companies (no advertising ever by the way).

Just an idea but hey, I don't want this crap on the street either BUT we have failed, failed, failed! And we have no hope for success by maintaining prohibition. Might as well make the profit for ourselves to fund SCHIP and get rid of the prime drivers for the criminals.

One thing is needed, immediate saliva test to see if your "under the influence" so if your driving your busted for DUI just like booze.

Also, use at your own risk... your employer can still can you if you test positive and charge you more for health insurance (just like us smokers). Just because it is legal doesn't mean you can't get fired for using it.

Seems similar to the 20's don't it.... gangs machine gunning each other in gang wars for the profit.

That pretty much died out shortly after prohibition was lifted... learn from history on this one. Take the profit out of the illegal activity and it pretty much goes away.


[edit on 9-2-2009 by infolurker]

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I agree with most of what you said especially the part about Prohibition having caused nothing but gangstas, rumrunners and bootleggers, which is what we are seeing now. The level of violent crime associated with these new vices is 10x what it was in the 20's (just an observation not fact)
One thing I disagree with is selling these drugs at a liquor store. Specialty outlets or pharmacies would be a more controled atmosphere vs. a liquor store. Alcohol and drugs just don't mix. The doubling effect caused by alcohol or vica versa makes for unpleasant outcomes. Not to mention all of the wanna-be stoners hanging outside the liquor store waiting for someone to hook em up with a spleef.

Back on subject, good OP David and good observations. What's it going to take to open the people's eyes to what's happening down there. Lou Dobbs is about the only talking head I've seen hammer this subject. What about that poor rancher in AZ. being sued by Mexicans for holding them on his property for the Border Patrol? They come across with automatic weapons escorting drug runners and he gets sued for protecting his property and as far as I'm concerned his country. Sad Sad Sad. It's past time for us to get Mad Mad Mad.....

You guys notice that most of the ones getting killed are involved in the drug business as well.

Think they are sending the message that stealing from them is not the proper thing to do.

Besides being more brutal, not much difference between the regular gangs we have here.

reply to post by The Undertaker

Lou Dobbs is about the only talking head I've seen hammer this subject.

Glen Beck has been spending a lot of time on this subject as well. He's even gone so far as showing some pictures...graphic..although they wouldn't show the worst ones they had.

What happens if Mexicans decide to Flood over in masse because of this? The US can't handle that right now...we are on the verge of shambles ourselves.

Many of these people are kidnapped and forced to cross the border illegally to plant crop (drugs). They are told if they don't do as they are told that they will be killed along with their family.

The drug lords control 23 of the Mexican states. I don't know of any drug gangs here that are paying off and killing cops, media, and politicians to scare anyone who might try to interfere.

This is why information on the subject is so hard to get.