Jews and forced Natural selection, page 1
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Topic started on 9-2-2009 @ 05:31 PM by Res Ipsa
...picking a board for this thread was hard since I was denied access to the Research board.

Please read carefully before posting.

Observation: If Jew is a race, they could arguably be viewed as the most gifted.

Previous theory: "God's chosen"

Present theory: (not discarding the first, just adding a possible one)
the result of man made natural selection.

Argument: Jews have been hunted down since day one. The educated of a people usually have the means and intelligence to "escape" when they see the writing on the wall. Those that don't, perish or if they have a "gift" are spared.
Keep this going for over 2000 years and you are left with a gene pool that has survived and evolved faster than the rest of mankind.

Approach this scientifically....what do we understand about natural selection?
Now apply it to the Jews through history and replacing "nature" with "man" survival of the fittest. Those traits that are essential to survival get passed down through generations. "gifts" "intelligence"

..Ironically or perhaps sardonicly Hitler had this theory in mind for the Aryan race. No sane person would ever suggest that the Jews ever said..."hey, spend 2000 years hunting us down so that one day we might corner the market on Movie makers, comedians, bankers, business men, and scholars...etc."
Mankind is responsible for the Jews evolution and to the myopic only see it either as a horrible tragedy or one more reason to resent the Jews for the result.

....we are quickly approaching the time when we can forgo genocide over 2000yrs to get a more evolved race, with genetic engineering we will do it in the lab before going to lunch.

So look at the results of these issues;
a) many people still hate the Jews or resent them. The only non-ignorant reason to resent them would be if you were "jealous" but even then you would have to acknowledge that mankinds inhumanity to them, this forced natural selection, is the reason and not anything that they are responsible for. Hating them out of jealousy and acknowleging it as such is not ignorant...stupid yes,...but not ignorant, because it is honest.

b) do you think that genetically engineered humans are going to get better treatment? Those with the money will do it....another group of people we can hate because they are better than us. What happens to sports?
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...so to anyone that cares to opine;
1) no Jew bashing
2) no "Religion" arguments
3) No anecdotal stories about what some Jew did to you so they all are...
4) no Jew bashing again he says.
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Science is what I want....opinions on man made natural selection.
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someone is going to say..."all races were created equal"....and I will hope someone points out that they "didn't read this carefully" like I asked.
Sure, Yes, absolutely, all races were created equal....the issue is...... "DID WE CHANGE THIS" Did our 2000 year persecution of the Jews result in man made Darwinism.
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please opine as harshly as you want as long as you don't cut and paste a bunch of anti-semitic crap.
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reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 06:09 PM by surrealist1978
reply to post by Res Ipsa


Previous theory: "God's chosen"
MORE LIKE GOD'S FALLEN..................the imposters who want to rule the world or that is there hope.........

PEACE


reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 06:19 PM by secretagent woooman
An interesting theory but fundamentally Jewish intellectual superiority is based entirely on two premises: Jews value education above everything but family much like other Asiatic-descended cultures and their religion is based on argument and logic unlike Christianity or Islam. Mainstream Jews also generally are much smarter about family planning which gives them more financial leverage that other groups. Hasidic Jews of course are the opposite but they tend to gravitate toward hgiher-paying jobs anyway so it balances out. They also tend to have strong family and community connections which gives them another hand up, they don't have to rely as much on the social service system as much as other groups. These are all wonderful concepts and other groups would be smart to imitate them.

Based on my experiences with many Jewish friends, relatives and cowokers I don't support natural selection. Serious genetically linked diseases such as Tay-Sachs are found in very high numbers in the Jewish population, especially in those descended from the smaller Eastern European ethnic enclaves. Most of them I have known have significant problems with depression and mania but that may be as much from growing up as Holocaust survivors or their descendants as it does genetics. If you look at how other groups have treated the Jews throughout history is not hard to see why they tend to be neurotic about outsiders, and that translates into what they teach their children. Having dated several Jewish men I can vouch that they not only have mother issues, a lot of them can't seem to function independently at all without a woman running their lives but they sure do complain a lot about it! They do tend to be faithful and hardworking though, which are great traits. One thing is for sure, with a Jewish mother in law you probably will not starve!


reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 06:30 PM by dooper
reply to post by Res Ipsa


Res, you may well have a point there. As a distinct cultural group, they are without a doubt, some of the most talented and brilliant folks on earth.

I've only worked with a couple of Jews personally, and I've known others over the years, and while I may have my distinct differences with a few, I have to admit, they are . . . smart. Driven. Focused. Determined.

One can logically assume that by marrying within their culture as they tend to do, they have "maintained" a more concentrated gene pool from which to draw on.

Whatever it is, it's working.

And I can't help but also acknowledge the Old Testament promise to Abraham that all nations would be blessed by his seed.

Whether one believes that or not, it certainly seems to be true.


reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 07:16 PM by NativeAmerican
reply to post by Res Ipsa


There was no jew bashing going on. That was a strange statement to make of any religion, really.

But anyway back on topic then. Darwinism is still just a theory. A very plausible theory but still none the less a theory.

[edit on 9-2-2009 by NativeAmerican]


reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 07:16 PM by fnord
judaism is a religon. its not a Race of peoples, Jews as has been mentioned in this thread can be of any race and/or nationality, just because one is jewish by birth does not make him genetically superior to others. if you want to talk about genetic superiority I would suggest looking to people of african descent, generally speaking their build is more geard twards physical activities which is evident of the color of their skin, the darker your skin is the more melanin you have which protects your body from UV Radiation from excessive sun exposure something that the hunter-gatherer tribes of humanities past would have benifited from. they also seem to have larger, more elongated skulls than people of non-african descent this could allow for more fluid in the brain area which would allow one to take harder hits on the head vs those without. This very same trait is shown in Apes/Monkeys/Chimps/Gorillas I would like to point out that I'm not trying to insinuate anything deragatory by the comparisons I just made. I just happen to notice theese things with all of my friends some of which are born in africa to parents who are of african descent, this is a distinction from african-americans who were (unfortunately) most likely the result of white slave owners raping the female black slaves that they made use of. Once again I wish to state that I am not trying to make any deragatory statements here and any offense gleaned from this is a result of the person who reads this' perception of what I said, and not mine.


That having been said, we still have no physical evidence that jews are a seperate race, even with the automatic decleration of a jewish person being jewish as a result of their mother being jewish. This practice was started because in the olden days (before eveything was black and white, and before everything was sepia-tone even) jewish people were raped and killed often and the only way to know if someone was jewish was by their mother because the father could be anyone of any religion.

Also for clarification I am by jewish law, Jewish as my mother was jewish (as was hers etc..) I was even born in isreal.
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