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reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 10:20 AM by DrumsRfun
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I think they are all liars so no matter what they call themselves my opinion is that they should be thrown into a pit.
Liberal lie or a conservative lie??
Its the same thing to me.


reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 10:35 AM by SailorinAZ
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There does seem to be a lot of corruption. I think they should stick to their principals and compromise only as needed for the best of the country. Really sucks when they just do what they want to do when all of us our telling them no. I.e. Bailouts.


reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 10:41 AM by Wethesheeple
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really? I think Bipartisanship is absolutely necessary. No one party has all of the answers and both have their flaws. Obama wants Bipartisanship but that pathetic excuse for a human, Nancy Pelosi and the ever idiotic Harry Reid wont have it. Want to know how many people think congress is doing a good job.... 12%. Bipartisanship is NECESSARY for an effective government.

Source for 12% approval


reply posted on 9-2-2009 @ 08:16 PM by simonecharisse
Well, I do not regard myself as mindlessly (brain-lessly) following a dogma. But maybe I was saying bipartisan, when I should be saying "inconsistency" with their side, instead? Like, I myself am to the left, but Obama should not let the the Plutocrats (bankers, ceos, [even other countries who behave badly], etc.) have one more penny, not literally one more, for bailouts. In a post above, SailorinAZ put it better than I, when he mentioned about standing on principles, and compromising when it benefits the good of the nation.
How many of you agree with me, that between $300,million-and-$600million is not a whole lot for the US government, compared to what it has given to ceos and wars? (And other countries.....)
There are 300million people in the US. If --I-- was president, I would give everyone who had filed and recieved that pathetic $300. last year, EACH ONE of you 1-or-2 million dollars each. Just think how many people would be out buying themselves new homes and vehicles, getting themselves 'Extreme Home Improvement Makeovers', buying new appliances, computers, food, etc. Sure there would be those sorry Ones who would blow theirs on drugs gambling and sex-services, etc., but that would be their problem.
WHY IS THIS NOT A GOOD IDEA?
By the way, I JUST -- HATE -- that abortion....seems to represent the Left. Abortion horrifies me personally, and late term abortion should be regarded as premeditated -- murder -- in the First Degree.
One more thing: did it ever always bother you conservatives who were for Bush, of the Bush family history involvement in Skull And Bones? I always got the impression that the forces of Illuminatti spookiness hate Christianity and politically conservative Christians.

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reply posted on 10-2-2009 @ 07:22 AM by Open_Minded Skeptic
Originally posted by simonecharisse
Obama should not let the the Plutocrats (bankers, ceos, [even other countries who behave badly], etc.) have one more penny, not literally one more, for bailouts.


I for one absolutely, completely agree with this. Not one more penny until they clean up their act. There are plenty of local and community type banks that are (relatively) clean, and can put the money to better use.


In a post above, SailorinAZ put it better than I, when he mentioned about standing on principles, and compromising when it benefits the good of the nation.


I agree here, as well.


How many of you agree with me, that between $300,million-and-$600million is not a whole lot for the US government, compared to what it has given to ceos and wars? (And other countries.....)


Agreed, but...


There are 300million people in the US. If --I-- was president, I would give ... EACH ONE of you 1-or-2 million dollars each. ...
WHY IS THIS NOT A GOOD IDEA?


The problem is, that if you assume 300 million people getting 1 million dollars each, the total cost is 300 Trillion dollars, which is out of reach.


By the way, I JUST -- HATE -- that abortion....seems to represent the Left. Abortion horrifies me personally


This is something the extremist right wing tries to encourage... the view that being for freedom of choice means one is for abortion. They are not the same, by any means. I, for example, am not at ALL a fan of abortion. But I am totally committed to freedom of choice. This difference often gets blurred, sadly.


One more thing: did it ever always bother you conservatives who were for Bush, of the Bush family history involvement in Skull And Bones? I always got the impression that the forces of Illuminatti spookiness hate Christianity and politically conservative Christians.


I am not and never have been anything even approaching a Bush supporter, but I'll answer this anyway... I don't know much about Skull And Bones, but there is such a surfeit of reason to despise W himself and that whole group, I don't really feel I need to know much.


reply posted on 10-2-2009 @ 09:48 AM by Astyanax
Originally posted by simonecharisse
There are 300million people in the US. If --I-- was president, I would give everyone who had filed and recieved that pathetic $300 last year, EACH ONE of you 1-or-2 million dollars each. Just think how many people would be out buying themselves new homes and vehicles, getting themselves 'Extreme Home Improvement Makeovers', buying new appliances, computers, food, etc.

As has already been pointed out, you'd have to print $300 trillion. Inflation would run out of control, money would lose its value and you would be back where you started from.

Shall we make it $900 billion instead? That's close to the cost of your President's proposed stimulus package, so we know it's money that can be found. Let's divide that up between the roughly 100 milllion households in the USA. That's $9,000 per household.

Now let's see if I can answer your question,

WHY IS THIS NOT A GOOD IDEA?

What triggered the financial crisis? I don't mean the long-term causes. I mean the immediate cause. It was the sudden inability of many financial institutions to pay their debts, which caused several of them, notably Lehman Brothers, to collapse.

What were those debts? They were promises to compensate people holding the mortgages if the mortagees defaulted. But the mortgages were turned into 'collateralized debt obligations' (CDOs) - tiny pieces of mortgages, hundreds of these little bits bundled together into one. There were millions and millions of these CDOs. They were freely traded and there was even a derivatives market based on them.

When those defaults started coming, the liability for them was spread all over the financial system. Nobody really knew who was owed for what, or how much they owed. People didn't even know what the true value of their own assets was. So nobody knew whether anybody else's credit was good enough.

Banks no longer knew whether their customers were creditworthy. They didin't even know whether they themselves were creditworthy. So they stopped lending.

That's how the financial crisis started.

It isn't enough just to hand out money to consumers. First of all, it may not raise consumer demand the way you anticipate. Everyone is scared spratless right now, so it's far more likely they'll just stash the cash under the mattress and keep their heads down till the towers stop crashing. And even if they do spend it, money going into retailers' tills doesn't translate into working capital for industry and services. To serve the demand, businesses will have to borrow money.

From banks.

Which aren't lending.

Do you see the problem? It's not primarily a shortage of money; it's a shortage of credit. Frankly, it wouldn't help much even if you could give every man, woman and child a million. You can't turn people into financiers and venture capitalists overnight, which is what would have to happen for that cool million bucks per head to translate into economic recovery. In reality, though, all a cash handout like that would do is cause instant, Zimbabwe-style hyperinflation.

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