Does this make any sense. I know mexico is practically a third world country, but I don't believe you should just leave your country and go somewhere else that's better, unless its to avoid unjust persecution from the gov't.

If your country sucks, stay put and make it better. But if it sucks because you suck don't come over here make this country a complete wasteland then sue people for getting mad. JESUS CHRIST!!!

I have no problems with immigrants at all. My problem lies with illegal aliens. Of course, that term is going the way of the "N" word. Its "dirty" and shouldnt be used, according to them.

I've argued before that yes, my grandparents IMMIGRATED here. They waited at ellis island like everyone else and within 1 generation they owned a grocery store and tavern. It wasnt much. Just a corner store and pub, but it paid the bills and they raised 4 kids from it, with NO assistance from the government at all.

This garbage about "we need them to do the work noone else will" is nonsense. Its pure garbage spewed from the companies that love paying them 3 bucks an hour, under the table.

The arguement that if they paid the fruit pickers 10 bucks an hour, fruit would cost more, thus no one could afford it is nonsense. I would gladly pay a few bucks more for a bag of oranges if I knew that money was going to CITIZENS.

Restaurants used to pay upwards of 10 bucks an hour or more for cooks. Now you cant even get considered for the job. The kitched is filled with illegals and their families, all willing to make 5 bucks an hour. Is the menu any cheaper? No. But the employees dont care. They all live in an apartment and split the rent 6 ways, so 5 bucks an hour is fine.

But what sickens me, is gall these people have. Taking to OUR streets and DEMANDING rights. You have NONE! You are not supposed to be here at all. You screwed up your own country. You dont care enough about that sewer you used to call home. Instead of fixing it, or even trying you instead come here with your hand out expecting ME to foot the bill. Its garbage.

Can the American people sue Mexico for the actual and punitive damages for them not taking care of their people and letting them come over here to disrupt our economy and criminal justice system?

Can we sue the ILLEGAL immigrant population because they came here ILLEGALLY and are costing taxpayers billions?

Seriously, what message does that send when a person comes into the country by breaking the law but can turn around a sue someone who is trying to prevent harm to his property during the process of the crime of breaking into the country illegally.

There is a reason why the Mexican population has such a high crime rate.

As an immigrant to this country(Far as I'm concerned I'm a proud American) I say these illegals are violating the property rights of that rancher, not just US immigration policy. Where I'm concerned is erecting walls to keep people out eventually serve to keep people in. And while we need to curb illegal immigration, we also need to remain an open and free country. We need to continue to be the beacon of hope for the rest of the world. That is what brought my family here.

You see, my parents are Cubans. Both worked for the government upon the Peruvian exodus from Cuba in 1979 in which they escaped and went to Costa Rica. Ten years in my brother and I were born, and we got the OK to come to the US. The government literally brought us here. My brother(Still not a citizen) is in the Army serving in Iraq, my parents, though they have their shortcomings, are law abiding and do not interfere or infringe. I am a vocal dissident, a contributing member of American society and I pay taxes.

And my citizenship status does not mean that I back the "rights" of illegal immigrants. Now, that said, upon this land, they do have SOME rights. Meaning that they too deserve due process, Because it is either due process for everyone, or no one.

The rancher in question does not deserve to be treated like this. Due process for this Rancher and his rights are being ignored in favor of political correctness. And this is not just wrong it is illegal. He cannot be deprived of LIFE, LIBERTY, or PROPERTY without due process, and this suit is essentially seeking to circumvent that. The man has property rights and is well within his legal rights to protect, preserve, and defend his life, liberty, and property. If he shot an illegal crossing the border onto his property(Without knowing what this person was bringing into the country i.e. drugs, guns), then he is well within his rights to do so. These people have caused him much in damages and are now seeking to ruin him for protecting his life, liberty, and property.

All I have to say is this:

There are ways of getting into the US legally and permanently if your are seeking a better life, and a new place to call home. My allegiance is to America, not Cuba and not Costa Rica. They come here to reap the benefits and yet ally not with the US. And when we Americans demand that the laws we have in place are enforced we are called racists and xenophobic. HELLO! I'm a Spanish speaking immigrant to this nation and I am neither racist or xenophobic. Illegal immigrants are a HUGE source of crime in the border states and even in some distant states. And it is just devastating that a group upholding illegal immigration are suing a private citizen for protecting his home, livestock and land from what could be dangerous individuals. And the court isn't throwing the case out? What the hell is this? What country are we in that something like this would be allowed to happen?

Judge should be removed from the bench. Judges like him are the reason our country has been legally sold to the rest of the world. If it doesn't end, we won't have a country anymore.

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There is another case going on here in Az too where an illegal immigrant has sued , because the transport that was taking him back to mexico got in an accident,
and he won 200,000 settlement.

The fact this hasn't been thrown out of court shoudl alert everyone against the dangers of having "Activist judges" in office. WTF happened to the America that my grandparents built and fought for?

There are legal ways to IMMIGRATE to America. Entering illegally, causing excessive property damage and trespassing are NOT on the list of acceptable methods to obtain legal residency or citizenship. These people committed multiple crimes and the reason they are suing is because their "Rights" were violated during the commission of said crimes. NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE should have any rights when they are committing a crime.

I hope that the next go around, this guy just pulls out his gun and shoots them all right on the spot and then buries 'em in a field. That would solve a number of problems all at once!

It seems that the problem is that he physically rounded up and held them captive. Which is illegal. No one can play law enforcement that is not a law enforcement agent.

Or else anyone can hold a neighbor at gunpoint until they get what they want.

Does this guy have a right to be angry? Absolutely. But detaining people against their will was not the smart way to go about it.

Seems that the illegals are taking a page out of the American handbook and suing for a living.

Why they have any rights is beyond me.


Lets hope in the process that they get arrested for tresppassing and property damage.

Problem is, that he will have to prove that this particular group made some violations. He can't detain people for what others have done.

People can't be held liable for others crimes. This is why the courts are letting the trial happen.

Are the illegals wrong? Yes, but the judges wouldn't be upholding the constitution of they allowed peole to be convicted for others crimes.

maybe he can turn around and sue them for distress.

What these people don't realize is they are making a pr disaster. When Americans start catching wind that they are winning lawsuits for illegal activities, their stay here is gonna keep getting more uncomfortable.

I don't even know why they are coming in, when there is a surplus and others are already leaving for lack of jobs.

This country has to have the stupidest legal system on the planet. So the courts allow this guy to be sued for $30 million for doing the right thing? That's just brilliant. He won't lose the lawsuit, but I'd guess that legal fees alone will run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars once the dust settles.

I wonder what the next rancher faced with a similar situation is going to do if he's heard about this? You guessed it: he's just going to shoot them. Why do the right thing if you're just going to be punished for it and lose everything you've worked for?

Star and Flag!

I read this just a few minutes ago, and I must say i've never been so angry at something in my life. This has got to be the biggest load of crap I have ever seen. I think everyone else here is right, the next time someone crosses a rancher's land, they're gonna end up dead, period. I don't think they should kill anyone, but if it's that or getting punished for trying to protect yourself and your family by calling the cops and holding the illegals there until the cops show up, then a lot of people are gonna end up dead with this.

This is absolutely ridiculous and makes me sick!

I'd be setting bear traps...

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
This is absolutely ridiculous and makes me sick!

I'd be setting bear traps...

Bear traps... hmmm can't believe I havent thought of that... or course then they're injured and they can still sue... May not be as good an idea in the end as you think...

kozmo

The term "Activist Judges" was coined by the Bush administration in order to circumvent the constitution. It was just another distraction thrown at an already politicized Justice Department. That said, this Judge is just an idiot. Not an "Activist". His decision to protect the rights of illegals before that of Americans acting in accordance with the law is no activism, it is downright stupid and he should be thrown off the bench. EVERYONE regardless of citizenship status DO have the right to Due Process, as they should. But this was a LEGAL citizens arrest of people committing crimes while criminally entering the US, no rights were violated, therefore this case should have been thrown out. And that is why this judge is an idiot.

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I just read about the mexican drug war violence is spreading into the US. Times are apparently hard for their business as well. It's been my thought that with so many of these illegal drug dealers and mules here and then likely packing with automatic weapons, many legal and abiding citizens will also likely need weapons now to protect themsleves and their properties, especially in this spreading new mexican/drug war. The invasion has already happened. Who will sign up? is this legal?