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Don, So what you believe is that just because the Federal authorities aren't doing their job to the fullest extent ordered by the Constitution that Citizens are not entitled to 'take up the slack' and lawfully use those powers vested in them as citizens to help enforce those laws? Its not only being used as jurors that those rights are allowed!
I believe the article you pointed out means that the Government has the power to enforce laws and protections of the government itself until the states stop relinquishing those powers to the government entity and in so doing the citizenry must be able to use those powers for their own protection. I'm not a lawyer but I was always taught and read that enumerated powers only exist within the boundaries of citizenship. Not in any entity produced by government. Citizens have the last word encase' to the rights they choose to employ! zindo
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Don, I said 'LAWFULLY', I did not say use vigilante justice. To use the power of protection of citizens in a lawful manner is not vigilantism. Merely stopping criminal activity by lawful means is what happening in 'MOST' cases. We aren't getting a rope or whip or denying anyone the right to be taken into custody by the authorities.
Fiefdoms have been the problem with good law enforcement for nearly two centuries here. These tactics by American Citizens will probably be the only way to do something to protect our borders since we have a very real problem with a criminal element coming here to continue with their actions.
Open borders will and has exacerbated that problem. I hope my tone here is not taken as antagonistic, it’s a subject that needs to be addressed and NOT ignored to justify more votes for our congresscritters! Zindo
Originally posted by donwhite
reply to post by Annee
Shoot me now - I support a borderless future.
I have called for Mexico to be the 51st state for a decade! Then we can get back to work.
Originally posted by psyko45
Originally posted by XTexan
reply to post by jam321
Yes but they were also on his property illegally, and as per his history he will stop anyone that is on his property illegally.
I question that someone cannot detain someone for trespassing, from my experience in the retail business a store can detain someone for shoplifting until the police arrive, why can a citizen not do the same to someone who is trespassing?
Because hes not law enforcement. As far as I know a shopkeeper cant hold someone at gunpoint for shoplifting if they retrieved the property. The key is the poor judgement in the use of a firearm.
If someone tries to rob a store with a gun and the clerk shoots and wounds them legally they still cant detain them. Though most judges wont persue this.
The judge is going to see that this guy has basically started a private crusade. Something that I would like to do myself. (against any number of types of criminals)But we dont, because we do have a system.
The crime they commit is limited to that 1 foot strip. Only the US Government can enforce Federal law. It is no crime to just BE in Arizona. End.
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
a branch of this thread is being created here
please participate as I fear I may go too off topic in this thread
Originally posted by Swatman
your from NY and have the balls to call americans illegal. get the hell out of this country then if you dont like it.
The crime they commit is limited to that 1 foot strip. Only the US Government can enforce Federal law. It is no crime to just BE in Arizona.
Yes, it is. It is a crime to be on someone's property without their permission and"notice" that the illegal do not have permission can be implied by their illegal entry into the Country. (I've met some people for whom it's a crime just to BE.)
Originally posted by Annee
QUESTION: Does anyone even thing about the illegals coming across the Canadian border? Or the drug trafficking on the open wilderness Canadian border? Remember the Saudi's of the 911 attack came through Canada.
I'm just pointing out that this focus only on our southern border - - is kind of racist.