NewsWeek: We Are All Socialists Now!

NewsWeek: We Are All Socialists Now!

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We Are All Socialists Now

In many ways our economy already resembles a European one. As boomers age and spending grows, we will become even more French.

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[edit on 9-2-2009 by Cio88]

News Weeks stating the obvious, something the media and the left scoffed at during the election, that we're all socialists now. Not that you can lay it on one party, but Obama is now president and will surely catapult us in to full fledged socialism. I hope these people know they are sewing the seeds for a civil war in this country. Many of us will not just stand by as our country is stolen from us. If we wanted a Nanny State, we would move to Great Britain.

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[edit on 9-2-2009 by Cio88]

damn, that is an insult! Im with you on this one!
Right in our faces!!!!!

I have nothing else to say about this. I am officially out of words.

Bout time too..

Politics is cyclical... we'll all be fascist is 50 years, communist in a hundred, democratic again in 150 and in the same boat as we are now in 200 years time.

If we wanted a Nanny State, we would move to Great Britain

Well, im not from Great Britain but Iv spent a good bit of time in both the US and UK and can honestly tell you.. the only difference between the US and the UK is that in the UK, the people are told they are living in a nanny state.. while in the US, they are still shoving that "Freest country in the world" bullsh**" down your throats while taking your rights away.

The UK may have the most camera's per capita.. but they don't have every call, txt, email, etc recorded and scanned while a myriad of satellites look down on them. There's not much difference between the two IMHO.

You should try get a grip on this concept...

be very careful of socialism

before Obama won, he was for the bailouts and stimulus packages

people called him a socialist for this

then on the Colbert Report steven colbert invited the guy running for the socialist party.

He said Obama is NOT a socialist, socialism distributes money to everyone, as opposed to putting it in the pockets of select politicians and CEOs, that's fascism he said.

He is correct, this is not socialism whatsoever, it's much much worse.

it's lies to call this socialism and you must remember this as the msm tries to confuse you. And you must always correct one another while in-topic.

it's very important.

The bailout is not the socialist portion of the new agenda.

Its the stimulus plans compounded with the further skewing of progressive taxation.

Stimulus plans create a bevy of new federally-funded jobs. This means a greater number of people are paid through the state; which in turn means more people will be unlikely to vote for a cut in the size of government.

The skewing of progressive taxation means for the first time in history, over 50% of citizens will pay no form of income tax. Now do you think these people will never want to change that situation?

The bailout is a fascist monstrocity; the stimulus plans are a keynesian socialist nightmare. The only common strand running through both is Authoritarianism

reply to post by ModernAcademia


I also have a hard time seeing what is going on as "socialism." It looks a lot more like fascism to me as well.

Please don't lose sight of how we got to this point. Things didn't suddenly happen on Jan 21st, 2009 and they didn't just happen over the last two years either. Qui bono? Think about that for awhile before cementing your opinion as unchangeable.

Originally posted by Cio88

News Weeks stating the obvious, something the media and the left scoffed at during the election, that we're all socialists now. Not that you can lay it on one party, but Obama is now president and will surely catapult us in to full fledged socialism. I hope these people know they are sewing the seeds for a civil war in this country. Many of us will not just stand by as our country is stolen from us. If we wanted a Nanny State, we would move to Great Britain.

biz.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 9-2-2009 by Cio88]

The nanny state however has proven resilient to the crisis, unlike the american-style boundless capitalism system... food for thought ?

Many here don't understand economics but spew hatred at a word "socialism". Why is that so ? The answer is: because the american fascist warmonger media have hammered this into your heads, and now you are regurgitating it.

This is the time of the capitalist crisis, it's a time to turn away from capitalism.. not from socialism.


[edit on 9-2-2009 by ergoli]

We have been socialist for while. It has nothing to do with a new "liberal" president.

It's been hundreds of years since the United States has been a "capitalist" society.

Even the Bush Administration, which swore by capitalist and free market ideals (because their base demanded it be so), was SOCIALIST.

I would like just one die hard Bush fan, or die hard republican, or die hard conservative, or whatever you want to call yourself... explain to me how the bailout they pushed through WASN'T socialist? It is as socialist as anything Barack Obama could do, but you all spit on his name for it. I find it amusing, but I would love to find out why you think this way... (you can stray off topic of this question if you'd like, I wont respond to it... I am talking about the socialist Bailout demanded and performed by the neo-conservative Bush administration)

Originally posted by ergoli

Originally posted by Cio88

News Weeks stating the obvious, something the media and the left scoffed at during the election, that we're all socialists now. Not that you can lay it on one party, but Obama is now president and will surely catapult us in to full fledged socialism. I hope these people know they are sewing the seeds for a civil war in this country. Many of us will not just stand by as our country is stolen from us. If we wanted a Nanny State, we would move to Great Britain.

biz.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 9-2-2009 by Cio88]

The nanny state however has proven resilient to the crisis, unlike the american-style boundless capitalism system... food for thought ?

Many here don't understand economics but spew hatred at a word "socialism". Why is that so ? The answer is: because the american fascist warmonger media have hammered this into your heads, and now you are regurgitating it.

This is the time of the capitalist crisis, it's a time to turn away from capitalism.. not from socialism.


[edit on 9-2-2009 by ergoli]

Thank you ergoli... we need more thinkers on ATS....

[edit on 9-2-2009 by ImaNutter]

I'd second the opinion that what is happening in the US is not Socialism, it's just a label slapped on what is obviously facism.

The marriage of the corporations to the state, the fervent nationalism, and the desire to boost industry with a huge wad of public debt seems to remind me of something that happened around 76 years ago.....

It might be called "Socialism", but so was the something else I am thinking of....

Crisis shmisis right, wrong, very wrong

Originally posted by ergoli
The nanny state however has proven resilient to the crisis, unlike the american-style boundless capitalism system... food for thought ?

Is it? Is it really? You don't offer anything in the way of an explanation, so I'll provoke you to do so. You implied that what we're seeing now is due to capitalism (though loosely), but I don't even think we've had a capitalist economy since Hoover and FDR at the latest. That doesn't even get into the baking system and monetary policy (as opposed to fiscal), which is a monstrous subject to tackle in itself.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
be very careful of socialism


it's lies to call this socialism and you must remember this as the msm tries to confuse you. And you must always correct one another while in-topic.

it's very important.

Yes it is important to get these right. However both have to do with redistribution of wealth and power, the "common good". Much of the rehtoric is the same. The lines can be blurry for all and the idealism of either don't really walk a fine line in their own interpretations.

What were are looking at here in the US is a fascist/socialist hybrid if one goes by college text book interpretations.

I attach myself to previous comments: this is fascism, not socialism.

These bailout packages are symbolic of the idealism that Oswald Mosley proclaimed during the Great Depression. I know some members are fastidious and will always be very zealous to name everything as "socialism", but this is far from Das Kapital territory.

We are all fascists now, not socialists.

Originally posted by stumason
I'd second the opinion that what is happening in the US is not Socialism, it's just a label slapped on what is obviously facism.

The marriage of the corporations to the state, the fervent nationalism, and the desire to boost industry with a huge wad of public debt seems to remind me of something that happened around 76 years ago.....

Are you talking about the German Socialist Republic?

They seem to be trying to fine tune the old idea here, paying off a large segment of the population in so many ways to the point where they are paid off not to resist. Bringing many entities under the bondage of the federal government, individuals and states, any entity that has a degree of self governing rights or power to exercise rights.

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I agree the Bush bailout was nothing more than Socialism for the big fat corporations at the top.
Now with Obama we have Socialism for the masses which starts at the bottom.
One uses a top down approach, the other will use a bottom up approach.
This is a NWO pincer move.

Originally posted by Karlhungis
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

I also have a hard time seeing what is going on as "socialism." It looks a lot more like fascism to me as well.

Fully agree here. This is far, far away from socialism. People are really confused here.

Labeling Obama (and democrats) as socialist here is similar to the Reagan style labeling from the cold war era: call your opponents communists and plant this trough heavy use of media in people minds in order to create fear

Originally posted by infinite
I attach myself to previous comments: this is fascism, not socialism.

These bailout packages are symbolic of the idealism that Oswald Mosley proclaimed during the Great Depression. I know some members are fastidious and will always be very zealous to name everything as "socialism", but this is far from Das Kapital territory.

We are all fascists now, not socialists.

So your saying that even the many taking government money to subsist on welfare programs are basically in spirit like the large corporations getting bailed out? And our industrial military complex savages the resources of the world to keep the ball rolling?

Originally posted by ergoli
The nanny state however has proven resilient to the crisis, unlike the american-style boundless capitalism system... food for thought ?

Many here don't understand economics but spew hatred at a word "socialism". Why is that so ? The answer is: because the american fascist warmonger media have hammered this into your heads, and now you are regurgitating it.

This is the time of the capitalist crisis, it's a time to turn away from capitalism.. not from socialism.


[edit on 9-2-2009 by ergoli]

sorry what?!?

The UK is predicted to be the worst hit of all the economies for crying out loud?!?!?