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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by Reignite
then what explains the big bulldozer next to the tank
Bulldozers are not there to "grab" only. There are dozens of use for buldozers. As an example:
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Now i am not saying that it is all that they do. Palestinian houses and property was (and is, but much less) destroyed - but it is not to "grab". There are gozillion other reasons. Like - removing cover from area used by snipers. Removing charges. Clearing area for security wall/fence. Destroying illegal houses - inside Israel, and illiegal settlements in territories.
I do not say that all the actions above are justified or correct, not to mention humane. But those are still not for grabbing land.
take over the land!
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by Reignite
But they are considered illigal by Israel too!!! In Gaza Israel removed all its settlements (that were legal by the way as far as Israel was concerned - same Sharon that removed them was the one that built them and organised all the people to move there).
So those settlements that are illigal - are in majority house or two usually unoccupied - and are not a problem. What is problem is that once Israeli forces (with buldozers by the way) destroy it, settlers come after a week and re-built it. But once there would be borders, then no Israeli would be able to do it.
In 1970s-1980-early 1990s a lot of settlements were created and indeed
take over the land!
happened. Not grab. You never said -grab.
However there were no Oslo agreements then. And the same Fatah, not to mention Hamas , did not recognise Israel in any borders - 1948, 1968 or 1989.
but that was after Israel was declared a state right?
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by Reignite
but that was after Israel was declared a state right?
I fail to see what it has to do with the issue. Israel is a result of 1947 UN partition plan. When in 1948 Israel declared Independence, surrounding Arab countries and Palestinian Arab leaders refused to agree to partition plan and declared war. Result is known.
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Who told a Berlin audience in March 1912 that “each country can absorb only a limited number of Jews, if she doesn’t want disorders in her stomach. Germany already has too many Jews”?
No, not Adolf Hitler but Chaim Weizmann, later president of the World Zionist Organization and later still the first president of the state of Israel.
And where might you find the following assertion, originally composed in 1917 but republished as late as 1936: “The Jew is a caricature of a normal, natural human being, both physically and spiritually. As an individual in society he revolts and throws off the harness of social obligation, knows no order nor discipline”? Not in Der Stürmer but in the organ of the Zionist youth organization, Hashomer Hatzair.
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Originally posted by Founding
reply to post by ravenshadow13
...We can obviously tell they are nothing more than simple minded and ignorant people. There are no Zionist, there is only the state of Israel and its citizens. You call Israel a religious state then take a step back and remember its in the MIDDLE EAST, home to the most fanatical and religious countries in the world.
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Originally posted by bobbylove321
Zionism will become a thing of the past. It's an old belief system trying to exist in the 21st century. This is like a cave man trying to live amongst us now, he'll simply die out.
Zionism will die out as well.
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Originally posted by Founding
reply to post by masonwatcher
What are you talking about. You make more accusations then a bad lawyer.
Right now, lets start a debate on Zionism and whether or not it is a relative term? I will be waiting for your response as will the rest of the forum.