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For those who say Civil war is the last thing we need now, when is it a good time? When the economy is good, and jobs are plentiful? When congressmen and the office of the president ignore the will of the people, and are violating the constitution, that's when it comes, and that is when it needs to come. However, remember how India was conquered. Britain leveraged groups to fight against each other until they were too weak to resist British rule to 'save' them. Beware the hidden hand.
.... I hate to dig up old politics, and I'm not trying to, but the last 8 years saw the Fed Gov completely disregard states rights.
Originally posted by Blaine91555
These States have passed simple resolutions, reinforcing the Rights they already have. None of them are Succeeding and the only talk of Civil War is a tiny number of radicals on the Internet. The number of people interested in Civil War would probably not even make a good crowd at an NFL Game.
My guess is they are responding to the Democratic Party having complete control of Government. The Democratic Platform has leaned towards Big Government and less State Rights for many decades now. It is hardly a secret.
The Democrats, for the next two years will have the power to do a lot of damage. They could reinvent and reconstitute the Welfare Programs that took us so long to get rid of and bury the States in Mandated Big Government Programs.
The States are struggling and don't need to be hit with things like Socialized Medical Care mandated by a out of control Far, Far, Left Pelosi driven Congress.
Even if Obama wanted a Bi-Partisan Government that served the people, he will never get it. Pelosi runs the country now from her mini-Air Force One that her and her friends fly around in.
Obama will likely find himself either having to Veto the Bills written by his own Party or he will have to cede control to Pelosi whom I've lovingly come to think of as, the "Wicked Witch of the Far Left". I don't think a bucket of water will work with her however Obama will need a full arsenal. A Cross, Holy Water, Garlic, Wooden Stakes, Silver Bullets and bushels of Sage burning in the White House Fireplace.
Obama is a figurehead at this point and he can only do what the DNC and Pelosi allow him to do. Not his fault. It is just the way it is. Letting one Party have this much power is madness at best. To bad people did not think of that when they were voting. We replaced one mess with a new different mess.
Originally posted by mpriebe81
well i can tell you that i live here in Arizona and haven't heard a thing about this on any of the local news networks. a pretty good sign that none of this is being taken seriously, but i will investigate further.
Originally posted by TheOracle
This is really important news, in the case of martial law we could see the break up of the USA.
Even after martial law is lifted, some states could decide to separate and choose autonomy then independance. Big government has just grown too big and does not respect the Constitution and sooner or later people will rise and it is not going to be pretty.
(visit the link for the full news article)
Originally posted by Hx3_1963
I was just hearing on CNBC Obama might talk up putting $40 Bln State Fiscal Assistance back in the Bill...interesting...will this be a bottleneck...
[edit on 2/10/2009 by Hx3_1963]
This has nothing to do with secession or revolt.
It has to do with the increasing effort on the part of the corporate federal government to delegate federal authority to politically relevant corporations and 'contracted' agencies in their place.
That was just on example. The Federal government is 'moving in' on many states, telling them what they can and cannot do with their own land, what rules they must or must not 'over-rule' locally, and worse. NAFTA was among the first blatant and egregious assaults on State's rights.
In California, State sanctioned (legal) Medical Marijuana use was directly - and violently - disrupted by FEDERAL agents (and some 'security contractors' of note).
Imagine having a license to drive in your home state, but a Federal agent can arrest you because your driving without a 'federally approved' license? It's along those lines. The Federal government has been successfully recasting it's role in the country as that of "Ruler" as opposed to the "Servant" it is Constitutionally meant to be. These state's proposed legislation are a direct challenge to that effort.
If the Constitution is suspended, does that not mean that the instrument granting the federal government any right to exist at all is suspended, nullifying the legitimacy of said entity? Would suspension of the constitution not be tantamount to suicide of the federal government?
It has been reported (source unknown to the writer) that every lawyer in existence and every lawyer coming up has to take a SECRET OATH to support the bankruptcy. This seems to make sense after read about Mr. Sweet's CASE FILE DISAPPEARANCE discussed below. There is more to it. Not only do they promise to support the bankruptcy, but the lawyers and judges also promise never to reveal who the true creditor party is in the bankruptcy proceedings. In court, there is never identification and appearance of the true character and principal of the proceedings. This is where you can get them for not making an appearance in court. If there is no appearance of the true party to the action, than there is no way the defendant is able to know the true NATURE AND CAUSE OF THE ACTION. You are never told the true NATURE AND THE CAUSE OF WHY YOU ARE IN FRONT OF THEIR COURT. The court is forbidden to tell you that information. That's why, if you question the true nature and cause, the judge will say, "It's not my job to tell you. You are not retaining me as an attorney and I can't give you legal advice from the bench. I suggest you hire a lawyer."