posted on Mar, 7 2009 @ 09:14 PM
BJ: Joan, can you elaborate on these groups. This appeals to me and is the way I think I have always thought it should be here. As a kid I always knew
things were not right.
J: Any group that has as a doctrine that of simplicity and moderation has what I was talking about here. For example, even science is now looking at
sustainability, over progress. If you beleive that simplification should be at the heart of any group that you are in, then support that group.
It is such a deep-rooted idea in many modern movements and groups, that the best I can say here is support it where you find it. For example, in the
animal rights movement, support those that are hands-on, focusing more on accomplishing the simple, basic needs of pets and other animals. That which
you support with thrive and that which is not supported dies by attrition.
SNC: Again you are heared and felt!!
J: Thank you SNC. This thread would not be possible without the potivity and support of the members who have supported it.
SC: Maybe you'll be able to see by then ;-)
J: Lol, I support those things that engender simplicity over complexity. Because of this I think that you are working on something with potential
HS: Several times HH and yourself ' I believe' have insinuated that the one true religion is still being practiced on earth, but with all the
mention of GOD and obediance to him, I have found myself confused.
J: I think it depends much on the concept of God. If you envision him as just one person, let's say Jesus, then it doesn't make a lot of sense in
the grand scheme. However, when you find God in a multitude of beings, each trying to do what is right on the level that they understand, then I think
that a more accurate view of God comes to those that understand this.
I think it necessary for the human mind to conceive a form of heirarchy in things, and because of this, various groups and levels of beings need to
know what they are responsible for, who is responsible for them, etc. etc. Perhaps it is this desemination of ideas and responsibilities that forms
the true God.
HS: It would appear as the abrahamic faiths are the most disruptive to the properity of the planet and the human beings which comprise it. By all
these refences to GOD, I assume that religion must be one that recognizes him as such.
J: Yes, but when you return to the original teachings of her best teachers, you start to realize that they too had at least a concept of this as well.
So what do you do if you are Jesus? Do you withdraw and start a religion for the elite few, or do you get your hands dirty a bit and make something
for the masses? It depends if you world view includes or does not include everybody.
HS: I wonder then, what about tantric buddhism (and specifically the practice of Dzogchen)? Don't these forms of spirituality, which promote
responsibility, assension, and skillfull living seem a better fit for the true or perfect religion for mankinds continued development?
J: One of the great things about America is that here we are given the opportunity to support that which we think is right. While I do have leanings
in this direction, I never dismiss the idea that it is what the people choose. If Buddhism is better, then it will have the ability over time to
displace other forms of beleif, in the same way it happens with IBM vs. Apple: people just think that their group is the best, and live that way.
P: Having studied a fair number of religions, I think Wicca is probably the most non-invasive, respectful religion, that teaches self reliance. The
primary rule of the religion is that "If it harm none, do what thou will".
J: Yes, but it is difficult to live wicca. The fundamental tenant is such that when you want to reach out and tell someone that it is the way to go,
you realise that you can't do it in the more agressive ways. The only way to do it really is to set a good example (passive where evangelism is more
assertive) and wait until others show interest.
It is an interesting study in human nature to see what they consider benevolent: freedom or being told what to do. Many consider being told what to do
as a benevolence. Others, the freedom to discover what is true for them on their own. Each point of view I think has come out with the best that they
know how to come up with, and new ideas are always free to introduce themselves as people think of them, and people see them in action.
I think that a world that includes and support the ideas of Love and those of Light leads to a healthy, stress-reduced environment where each is free
to choose that school or Church that most accurately reflects their choice.
M: Well it was a fun thread, thanks
J: Thanks for your participation Mimer. This thread could not have been possible without all of us contributing and seeing a purpose in contributing.