reply to post by spannera
J: I am impressed with you peoples' use of Mind. Even Little Star is showing feats of this. Very Light of you LS. And you Spannera, thought you'd
finally found someone you could mentally spar with who was on par with your intelligence. Hubris. (Or perhaps it is I suffering from that sin of
When Hidden Hand was here, you asked him children's questions. However, looking at who you've been taught by, it is no wonder you gentlemen think
your reasoning superior to the teachers that have come here. Everybody likes Maben though you think he's a good natured, couragous ox, and IX-777 is
still yet to come into his prime, and ReconPilot you must think disturbed.
S: Hi joan. Earlier you replied to my question about what is the Law of confusion- An aspect of the Law of Confusion is that you don't have Free Will
if you are confused. That begs the question why would anyone want to confuse knowledge other than to prevent wisdom and make somebody make the wrong
J: You are forgetting about Complexity and Group Human Nature.
Why is it that even in a group of a dozen people (let alone 6 billion) that when spiritual forces, both postive and negative, are present that they
can't help but get culty. You think its Disinformation, or an active strategy to keep you in the dark.
It is not this. There are things that are secret, that must be kept secret but the majority of negativity is in the complexity that arises in groups.
To be honest, all attempts are being made to prepare people for Disclosure, and even Hidden Hand I think all of you could sense was teaching his
little heart out. By the end of it, he thought much of you and was glad that he decided to teach what he did.
S: Although i have no religious hang ups it does make you wonder why in hebraic tradition satan is known as the father of lies and the adversary.
J: Yes, but by hebraic tradition, Lucifer and Satan are two different beings. Lucifer is mentioned twice in the OT, one in conjuction with Job, and
there it is pretty obvious that God is the one in charge and Lucifer following His bidding, and in a passing reference to the King of Babylon.
According to the Jews, Lucifer is not Satan, in that it cannot be justified through an impartial analysis of the Torah and the rest of the OT.
The equating of Satan and Lucifer is rather a modern phenominon of Christianity over the last few centuries.
S: Also you say you follow the house lucifer but according to the Sepher Yetzirah he is only the chief of the third hierarchy of spirits. The order
being 1) Satan and Molech 2) Beelzebub 3) Lucifuge chief of the satariel. 4) etc.
J: OK, this is where I tie you up in knots, Spannera. You humans are very powerful of mind these days. And its becoming obvious that you just needed a
teacher worthy of you, that you are not Sons of Chaos (as ATS'er are sometimes thought of higher beings) but just not impressed by what comes your
OK, Kabalistic and Gnostic thought.
Have you noticed that within Gnostic thought there is a retelling of the Garden of Eden incident, where Lord God is presented as the over-protective,
angry, jealous one, and the Snake as the Liberator, the defier of unrighteous Control and Dominion? In this sitation it is quite easy to see the point
of it: that the story of Adam and Eve can be told from either perspective.
It can either be an act of a Loving Father to plead with his children to be safe and content, and Lucifer as the seducer, the depraved one who leads
disobedient children to their doom. Or, it can be told as the courageous Hero who defies the Powerful Corrupt Leader, knowing that human nature
requires growth and hardship to thrive, knowing that the new race of Humans can only come from the loins of these two people.
Or perhaps its neither, that the Lord God and Lucifer conspired against the two of them to perform a genetic experiment and the outcome was known
before hand and they just needed two Powerful Beings to let Adam and Eve (Atum) make a choice, with all of Creation looking on to see if they would
make the decision in the direction of Love (Lord God, Father, feeling/comfort) or Light (Lucifer, Brother, mind/right choice).
Let's twist you up a little more Spannera. MAYBE, just maybe, Atum (Adam and Eve) being the greatest of All, had the God of Love and the Man of Light
come before him, and said "Even in my wisdom, I don't know how I would make the choice, of Love or Light. Will you assist me in an experiment where
my memories are taken from me, and the choice given?"
WOW, huh! That would be taking Game to a whole new level. Maybe it wasn't even as perverse as you might be finding this explination, but a natural
result of the Law of the Houses, that the Houses wanted to see what Atum would do. Not as Atum-Ra, but as naked human Adam and Eve. Two forces acting,
one of Love, the other of Light. THe outcome is decided by Atum, the Ancient of Days, in the actual situation a human would have to do it in.
OK, I know you are still with me, Spannera. Every person with half a brain and a reading of Gnostic literature realizes that Lilith and Eve COULD be
the same person. One is taught as the coniving, clever, independant bitch who sticks it to Adam by siding with the seducing Serpent instead of with
her own good husband. The other the innocent, stupid, easily-lead idiot who can't help herself follow anybody when she's not around Adam, who in
what could be called an adolecent type of rebellion decides to eat an apple because she wants to be more like Father.
(Softly) Or perhaps Eve is a person very much like Little Star. Normal, healthy level of intelligence, wants to please her Father in Heaven, but think
enough of herself to know that she has to reason things out, and is willing to take a few risks and even defy the normal order to a certain extent in
order to do what she thinks is right.