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posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 04:13 AM

S: Does Jesus even comprise a SMC? Ra stated that Jesus was a 5th density soul (a Wanderer) incarnated into 3rd density form, who became aware of and proficient in amazing abilities at a young age. He became a teacher and a healer, and was not literally "crucified," this was again a metaphor.

J: Jesus of Nazareth, the man? No, he is not an SMC, however He is. The soul that was with him (whether a single or composite being) was part of an SMC which allowed the human, Jesus of Nazareth to have reasoning (and other) capabilities that were superhuman. It was that soul (and by connectivity to an SMC) that Jesus was referring to when he spoke of his Father.

Jesus of Nazareth was crusified. However, the soul and its SMC were not crusified. You can't nail purely spiritual beings to a cross. However, you can nail a physical person to a cross.


And btw Suterlaben, its good to see that your higher mind functions are becoming more engaged in this conversation. One of the problems with direct questions and answers is there is a partial shutdown of your abstract reasoning faculty. Those answers showed contemplation, perhaps a bit of meditation. Two thumbs up, guy. You'll find that there are mental processes that are further engaged when you have to present your findings, especially in public groups. When you get enough symbols, correlations and principles, you'll be able to speak as "confusingly" as I do.

Thank you for supporting me as you have here. I didn't want praise, I desired participation, rational, honest participation. Thanks.

[edit on 18-2-2009 by JoanTheBlind]

posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 07:46 AM
Unit 1b: Infinite Intelligence, Infinite Energy

In continuation of the last unit, HH continues on in a more detailed description of The Creator.

I am breaking down his discourse into parts so that we can discuss and the group can express their thoughts and feelings on what he touched upon.

Taking smaller "chunks" of his discourse and applying out analytical skills I think is the best way, I think, of understanding what it is that he is trying to say.


Infinite Intelligence, becoming 'aware' of Itself, seeks to experience Itself, and The One Infinite Creator is 'born', or 'manifest' (This appears to your 3rd Density comprehension as "Space"). In effect, the 'Creator', is a point of focused Infinite Consciousness or awareness, into Infinite Intelligent Energy. The One Infinite Creator also becoming self aware, seeks too to experience Itself as Creator, and in so doing, begins the next step down in the Creational spiral. The One Infinite Creator, in focusing It's Infinite Intelligence, becomes Intelligent Energy (which you could call the Great Central Sun), and divides Itself into smaller portions of Itself, that can then in turn experience themselves as Creators (or Central Suns). In other words, each Central Sun (or Creator) is a 'step down' in Conscious awareness (or distortion) from the Original 'thought' of Creation. So "In the beginning" was not "The Word", but Thought. The Word, is thought expressed and made manifest as Creator.

There is Unity. Unity is All there is. Infinite Intelligence, and Infinite Energy. The two are One, and within them, is the potental for all Creation. This state of Consciousness could be termed as 'Being'.

Infinite Intelligence does not recognize it's 'potential'. It is the undifferentiated absolute. But Infinite Energy recognizes the potential of 'becoming' all things, in order to bring any desired experience into 'being'.

Intelligent Infinity can be likened to the central 'Heartbeat' of Life, and Infinite Energy as the Spiritual 'Life-blood' (or potential) which 'pumps out' for the Creator to form the Creation.


Commentary: I would start off by talking about something called Hermetic Thought. Hermes Trismegistus aka Thoth of Egypt was the originator of Hermetic thought. An excellent primer for this is The Kybalion (written by the Three Initiates). When these principles are grasped, even partially, it is possible to see its influences in this description on the Light-Bringer SMC.

Infinite Intelligence, according to Master HH is the canvas upon which the paint of Infinite Energy exists upon, if you'll excuse the metaphor.

Here is a version of HH's description as understood by the Horus Mind:

Reading chapters #1 and #2 I think would be instructive here.

By reading these two works, you can get a sense of the education that the Elites talk about.

You already correlated the Law of One (Ra Materials) with this. Here is a link to the Wikipedia article on the Seth Materials.

By reading these things, you might gain additional resonations and bits and pieces of truth that might forward your research and private study.



(1) What is Infinite Intelligence? What is Infinite Energy? What is the correlation between them? What is the relationship between Infinite Energy and consciousness?

(2) From a strategic point of view, what do you suppose is Hidden Hand's goal in providing a more scientific (or more rational) explination of The Universe. What is The Universe in this context?

(3) How do you suppose this "theory" was generated? How do the Houses know who to beleive when it comes to foundational ideas and beleifs? By what process is this beleif instilled in the membership of the various Houses? Is their a Heirarchy within the Houses that if a certain House beleives something that the other Houses usually follow suit? Which House was responsible for the intellectual content of the basic theory?

posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 07:51 AM

So far I haven't had any luck in finding many humans of a similar mind set of mine nonetheless that actually come out and say, hey, I had a vision the other day and I was at the foot of the cross, or when I was a little girl this woman would appear in a tree to me.

Now, my feeling about all of this is that these occurrences, or visits, were intended to help me remember who I am and why I am here. To come back to the lessons that were learned before hand to get me through the muck of living as a human and to do what it is I have to do.

I had identified myself as a starseed, or more accurately, as having a starseed within me, than an angel as I didn't think angels could come here as human. I never thought about them attaching themselves to humans before. I thought that because you are seeing this from a different density perspective, you might be able to help me sort it out from that perspective. I don't want to start a church or anything. I am far more of a background person, well, that is until something pisses me off. Then, I open my mouth and great trouble for me insues. So, I figured, if I could remember and unlock the parts of me that hold this whatever you would call it, (okay, I know it isn't really locked up just feels that way), I could get on with business and avoid having the world stomp on me quite so much. I also figured that if I could find others like me, then it would help with the remembering. We could help each other. Then, I converse online with other Starseeds, or folks that believe themselves to be, and all they want to do is talk about how it feels and never share what they have experienced or what to do with the fact that they are who they believe themselves to be and where they think that places them in life on Earth at this time. They say things like send out light through meditation, and while I think that helps the world greatly (they got one of their own elected to President didn't they?), there seems to be more that should be going on. It seems it should be part of what we do in our lives, more than just being nice and doing charity work. I think I have a bit of a warrior in me and a great deal of impatience.

I also have a memory of flying around as a speck of light with this other light; but, we were sovreign entities. We could communicate and direct our own paths, make decisions. We were intelligent beings.

Any clues on this? So, aside from being anxious, I am finding myself to be quite the conumdrum.

I bring all this personal stuff up because I also would like to find others out there like me and have them speak up. I doubt that I am the only one like me. I have found other women that have had visions of being at the foot of the cross, but not all of this other stuff along with it. But, they are also experiencing a great deal of life stress and are trying to get through it. Well, some of them are. Others say they have this memory and then go out and write a book with a bunch of bull in it and folks believe them and they go on book signing tours and get a bit of notariety. Which is great for them, but not what someone that has a true calling in this would do unless they are waaay off the assignment grid. Maybe that was the assignment and they only think they are serving themselves.

Although I kind of had a memory of me coming up with this grand task that I am undertaking as my own idea. That it wasn't some assignment handed down to a bunch of folks wanting to move forward in understanding. Just I thought oh what a great idea to try to get through something like this. I wish someone had shut my grand scheme down or changed its parameters a bit before I came here. I remember thinking that I was sooo smart that I could do it as long as I just remembered the love and to "just be". However, I do know that I am not walking around here alone and that there are a bunch of beings that tag along with me to observe and help. I just don't seem to be able to work up my ability to talk to them in a manner that allows me to remember our conversations so that I am in a bit more control and the anxiety isn't so bad. I think what you said about the empaths was pretty accurate. Pretty much that only adds to the anxiety.

So, any thoughts on the above ramblings?

Also, some of my anxiety left after finding you back on here. But, something about you has changed. Am I correct?

Also, from a sixth density view, and I have asked you this before, if a person suspects their child is of another density, what is the best thing to do to guide them towards finding that within themselves and incorporating it into their lives?

Do you know anything about the Wingmakers? What are your thoughts, if any, on the truth of their assertions?

Also, in terms of folks that keep mentioning your spelling, there is no spell check on here that I can find and even the most uneducated and intellectually handicapped person on Earth can be the one of the most enlightened. KNOWING has nothing to do with intelligence.

[edit on 18-2-2009 by Little Star]

posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 08:47 AM

I just found your post where you direct the participants here to material. I am extremely grateful for this addition to the discussion. Also, I wanted to respond to your post regarding HH's words regarding the Infinate Mind wanting to experience itself. My take on it is that the life of humans is this experience. It is this experience in a particular form under a particular set of circumstances as have been ascribed to living on Earth. It appears that things went a bit off the "grid" so to speak. At least according to HH's writing. He indicated that Lucifer was called in to allow humans to experience free will so that they could evolve.

The problem I have with this view of it is that, and yes of course I am thinking with my Christian mind, God is omnipotent. So, God, the Creator, knew what God was looking for for his creations before they were even created and could have foreseen the results of putting his children in a garden and then having them stuck there because they didn't have the ability to desire anything beyond that. So, in short, God knew man would eat the apple before man ate the apple. That this is depicted as the original sin I always thought was a bit absurb. You can't teach that man was given free will and that this act was a sin at the same time. Well, you can. But, it doesn't make sense.

I am not going to say that it is depicted that way by the church as a control mechanism. I am going to say that in man's memory they went from living a totally free from worry life to having to work at surviving and the lazy bum in man deeply regreted this and so points a finger back at Adam and Eve and says, see what they did to us? Now, we have wars and can't just lay around a garden with lions and lambs and chill out all the live long day. God loves us and wants us, man and all of his creation, to experience as he experiences. Not that he has to work at surviving. He creates. And so now we can create and define our existence. As soon as we decide we don't like our current definition of things, we can change it and create another. This is the process we are going through with the current economic crisis and the downfall of greed.

"There is Unity. Unity is All there is. Infinite Intelligence, and Infinite Energy. The two are One, and within them, is the potental for all Creation. This state of Consciousness could be termed as 'Being'.

Infinite Intelligence does not recognize it's 'potential'. It is the undifferentiated absolute. But Infinite Energy recognizes the potential of 'becoming' all things, in order to bring any desired experience into 'being'.

Intelligent Infinity can be likened to the central 'Heartbeat' of Life, and Infinite Energy as the Spiritual 'Life-blood' (or potential) which 'pumps out' for the Creator to form the Creation."

The above from HH's material is a description, I think, of pretty much what I wrote about my memories. I am in the process of recognizing my "potential". This quote from the material fit in nicely with what you explained regarding Jesus. We, in our desire to understand God, the Universe and the meaning of all things, are linked to God and search for this out of the need to "become". In doing so, because there is unity, we raise the conciousness of all of mankind and move towards a higher density or to expand consiousness to incorporate more of the unseen into our understanding, except those that like things just as they are and ignore the "seek higher" button. I am using words like "higher" to illustrate. I am not making judgments on the lack of desire to become or the sensing of a need to become. In my everyday life I may do this, but for the purposes of explaining what I think about all of this, I am not.

I have to go in and read some more of what you wrote in order to continue. Before I go, I am a bit worried about publishing all of this stuff regarding my experiences for the whole world to see. So, I think it is wise that I go back and delete it in short while. I just hope you, Joan, have a chance to get to my questions before I do that. Maybe I will start messaging you regarding the more personal experiences.

Also, I didn't understand your comment regarding the Urantia book. Are you saying that humans were not supposed to understand it completely? If so, then why was it given to us and then allowed to be published?

Maybe I missed it, but what is an SMC?

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posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 09:21 AM
reply to post by JoanTheBlind

Hello Joan,

Thanks for your suggestions on reading material, I will be able to study this material in the months to come.

I was wondering if you could tell me your opinion on the new/old chemical composition of Monatomic gold? (M-state gold, white powder gold etc.)

There are a couple of places online that offer the true form of this recipe that can be trusted but most are just a jumbled mess of cons looking for a fast buck. I would be talking about the true chemically broken version with no metalic grades present after the chemical change. Also a little history if you know any would be a bonus--I dont mean recent history either , I think you know what i mean. Theory of use by Sumerians, Annunaki and Moses etc.

Thank you for your time.

posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 10:21 AM
Thank you so much for the giving of your time and knowledge.

I explore this site often and so many posts I just dismiss. For me, it is beyond coincidence that I opened this thread and was rivited reading each post.

I must admit I am strangly drawn to you. I find you intelligent, sly, enlightened and honestly - I'm in a bit of wonder of you at this point. I am actually having a physical reaction after reading this thread. I will confess I haven't read any of the HH posts and that is my next stop after I can come down from the energy injection I've gotten from reading your posts. I'm just stunned how your being is resonating in me. I can't tell you how many threads I open and have the immediate reaction of 'pffft' and move on. Not so with you.

If you'll allow me, I'd like to make a few comments and ask a few questions.

* My above comment about this being beyond coincidence is that I verbally, spiritually, and even in an ATS post (lol) announced I was ready for some extradiminsional contact of some sort. I consider myself educated and with a healthy dose of skeptisim. I put that out there within the last week and here I find you. I was first drawn to the Pleiadians. A book fell into my reality and after reading at night, then meditating I've had some visuals in my meditations that give me pause. Wherein in past meditations anything visual seems self contrived - this past week there were actually pictures flying through my mind like a fast slide show. Of what, I wasn't able to retain. My dreams have also been more rich and I seem to be having conversations with other entities.

*I consider myself a seeker/investigator. One of my earliest memories was when I was five. I can remember sitting on bed and thinking none of this is real, I was not this 'name' everyone called me, I was something more, there was something more, and I would almost feel disoriented after these feelings. Had I not been the innocent age of five I'd chalk it up to ego.

*I had 12 yrs of catholic school and still had the feeling of there being something more. In college, I took an art history class and so many beliefs I had been taught were shattered with education in history. Currently, I consider myself agnostic. I enjoy outwardly being a heretic, shaking up the christians - my goal although being a positive one to get them thinking out of their box. If they engage me in a conversation I will challenge their thinking (with decorm and respect) afterwards some seem scared others just shut down.

*With the above description of my current attitudes of current religion I don't consider myself to 'pray.' I will say I meditate and use visualtion with colors and try to tap into different frequencies. When I 'pray' for other I wrap them in various colors. Dunno if this makes sense and I'm feeling exposed and a tad embarassed.

*I have an analogy of god - imagine a huge mirror and smashing it. God is the whole and we, and all the multiverse, are all the pieceies. It's gods way of experiencing itself. Was just a theory of mine.

*I scoff at the very idea of archtypical demons in the religious sense. I have a theory of the laws of attraction. I had an idea of negative entities, they appeared spirdery and they feed off the negative energies of humans. They were actually here, right on top of us but in a different dimension. The more a human stews in a negative emotion the more spidery entities were attracted thus creating a spiral of demise. Am I close on this issue?

*What can you tell me about Inanna. I am so drawn to this entity even tho I don't fully understand her. It started with my reading of Gilgamesh and continued on to my own research of the human understanding of her. I'm so drawn to her I had her cunniform tattooed on my inner left ankle.

*How did you come to your own awareness? Have you always known?

posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 10:38 AM
Part 2 and I'll try to keep this short - I greatly appreciate your time, know that.

*While I have physical ailments and pain, a month ago I trashed all of my perscriptions. I just had this nagging feeling they were 'damping' my ability to communicate/feel on a higher level. I felt disconnected to my higher self. I only use an herbal remedy. I am certainly not condoning this for others but you think this was right choice for me or that I am right in my thinking of human pharmacituals of damping ones self? I also can feel a frequency shift when wearing metals. Any comments on this?

*Finally, while I've always considered myself a very spiritual being I did a complete life shift in the last 8 years. I use to be in high finance, had a great job, was single, did what I wanted when I wanted. At 35 I married my best friend of 20 yrs, quit my job, and had a daughter. She is deemed as high functioning autistic but I find her to be simply functioning on a different level. My bloodline is traceable back to druids, also I have native american indian as does my husband and his ancestory being english as well. Back to me, I have shifted my focus from the outward in while still having a pulse on global issues. I like to be aware. It seems I've drawn more challenges (experiences to grow) along with this shift. I had to fight a doctor to remove my mom from life support - I felt his motives impure but three years later I struggle with the decision I made. I made it from a place of love but struggle with healing. Any suggestions?

*I want to belong to the house of Lucifer, bringer of light - do you have membership referrals (bats eyes)

While you say evolved entities become drawn togeather, I can't express how isolated I feel. How miniscule I feel in the big picture. At times, I'm so exasperated with humas I feel as if we're just a bacteria on this planet. But as I stated at the beginning, I know we are something more.

Thank you SO much. I feel quite vulnerable exposing all this personal information but again, I feel so personally drawn to you. Thanks for your gifts, your time, and your eloquency.

posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 11:51 AM
-BJ: I pondered if I could actually be negative ... if I could enjoy the life of leisure and plenty (I sure haven't had it this time around). And I am proud (or really fooled) to admit that I could NOT. I need to feel like I am improving situations.

-J: Another apple-biter. Everyone get's on Eve's case about it, but its amazing to me how many can't resist.

And I always thought it was a pomegranite. My whole life has been about side-stepping temptations. I have always been a simple, shy wallflower who did not want attention drawn to her. I was born with the blonde look that attracts people to me. I did not want people drawn to me, I wanted to peacefully watch the world and fix things behind the scenes. I'll always help an animal and usually I'll help humans. But this constant barrage of 'temptations' has followed me everywhere (except where I am now.) Sadly, I caved many times, and had to deal with the consequences... so many consequences. Does this mean I have been followed around my whole life by yours and/or H_H's group? And if so, why all of a sudden a couple years ago did I get strength to just turn away from it all? Why do I now know I have this mysterious purpose?

I have much more to ponder after reading the newest posts. And I do agree with LS, your demeanor has changed slightly.

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posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 04:46 PM
Hi Joan
I read that the ophites worshipped the serpent because god made it the cause for gnosis for mankind. Would it therefore be fair to say you are an ophite. Secondly assuming the answer is yes do you have any information about the constellation Ophiuchus as you mention Thoth and he is quoted as saying as above so below and i am beginning to believe this is so very true.
Can you elaborate on your understanding of the concept that lucifer is the half brother of Jehovah born of sophia without the male aspect.
Is it correct that lucifer also corresponds with the same entity or mind called at various times Raphael, Enki, Typhon, and Set. And probably the most important question is what exactly is the law of confusion and how does it work. Thanks.

posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 04:57 PM
Do you have any direct contact with the angels of the bible? Also what about the fallen angels in the book of Enoch (The Dead Sea Scrolls), just explain if you will: the Watchers, fallen angels in the book of Enoch. Explain everything, with the Watchers.

One more questions: Are the Watchers children the elite, the core of the NWO?

posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 09:41 PM
reply to post by blujay

I understand what you mean about Mother Teresa and Hitler. It isn't so much looking at them and seeing them as the same in terms of approval of their lives and how they were lived in the same manner. But, it is the same in being able to look at both of them and seeing them both as children of God and equally so.

Joan, did you want us to attempt to answer the questions or to only consider them in our reading and studying?

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posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 10:06 PM
From my understandings, negative polarities can not ascend to 6th density without abandoning the negative polarity. HH stated he was of the Lucifer soul group, of 6th density can that be if 6th is the marker/dead end street to where the negative polarities can not move forward without leaving the negative polarity behind. I see this as a filter of sorts...negative and positive lasting up until so long, then the nature of things stops the negative at some point, making it impossible for negative to ascend to 6th density and remain negative.

According to the Law of One.

Which either way, I am going to take that info over yours or hidden hands because those people who channeled that material didnt hide themselves and practiced this channeling for 28 yrs.

You may answer if you like, but I am only being honest when I say I dont find your intentions or HH of a pure nature which means you are misleading people.

But I would like to hear your answer on how HH claimed himself of negative polarity in 6th density, which is only positive polarity.

posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 10:33 PM

Sorry to keep coming on here with more questions before you can answer my most recent ones. However, some thing hit me today about what you said regarding Christianity and limiting my study of things. Here it goes.

For the purposes of a House some things must be emphasized in the teachings a member receives and others not emphasized, and others not revealed. This could be because the workings of the individual towards the goals of the house are better served if some things are not known. There could be many reasons for this. One, not becoming distracted. Another, things that are accepted as absolute truths are usually followed more closely and with more dedication. Another, the view from one place in the Universe or school of thought is different than in another. Yet, both views are equally true. If both views are pursued with equal energy, then the purposes of both are better served and more balance is obtained. There could be many more.

Still, why was I able to remember this stuff if I am expected not to do anything with it and if my House has not left a trail to follow that would enlighten me? I mean, maybe now that I have seen some of the implications of what this stuff may mean, then I can take off from where I am and go into meditation with it and find something else without reading material that may not be linked to the teachings of Jesus.

I was lead to finding the Gnostic texts without even asking. I was even shown where to go to find them. In them, I read about a couple of the scenes from my vision. So, I knew I was on the right track in reading them. Today, after reading your posts, I went out. A short time after turning on the radio, the last lyrics of a song being sung by a child were "be careful what you read Little Light". It was a Christian station. Spooky huh? This stuff happens all the time. That was a mild one.

I just thought that if something or someone could explain why this stuff happens to me, I could better understand myself and so remember more after arriving at an understanding. I guess I want a flashing billboard or something. Boy, I am American aren't I?

What do you think of my conclusions?

[edit on 18-2-2009 by Little Star]

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posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 11:49 PM
TML: Do you have any direct contact with the angels of the bible? Also what about the fallen angels in the book of Enoch (The Dead Sea Scrolls), just explain if you will: the Watchers, fallen angels in the book of Enoch. Explain everything, with the Watchers.

One more questions: Are the Watchers children the elite, the core of the NWO?

J: From the point of view of your understanding, yes.

The Elite would be the ruling class of the Watchers. Watchers are known by many names. Here are a few: Nephilim, Men of Great Renoun, Giant, Builder.

Racially Watchers are Nephilim (Neph singular, Nephilim plural). They are known for their unusually high intelligence and superior spiritual defensive capabilities. Because of their intelligence, they have a strong tendancy to rise in political, spiritual and business pursuits, thus the lore about their power to shape world events. Thus they were known in the days of Enoch, Men of Great Renoun.

Watchers, because of their natural Service to Others polarization, have a tendancy towards Renoun, or rather generating positive acclaim for their accomplishments for and in behalf of Mankind.

Giant probably is symbolic of their confidence in Self and spiritual defensive capabilities. Nephs don't incarnate any larger than other human beings.

About 8000 years ago a man named Enoch formed the Salem SMC (aka Jeru-Salem aka Zion of Enoch) becoming Melchesidek (Hebrew) aka Melek-Zedek (Babylonian) of Jerusalem. This is a critical piece of information as this historical event corresponds to right now in this cycle. Many mistakes were made, and by understanding what happened then will help us now to not repeat them.

The term Fallen Angels is interesting. Human connectivity to an SMC is mediated by descending spiritual beings (angels) that instead of Ascending up the dimentions, instead choose (for whatever reason) to have contact with the Outermost Sphere, here. By intertwining themselves with a compatible human being, leads to a higher/lower self configuration, the esoteric meaning of an Israelite, or Elect. The SMC therefore kind of rests on a distributed group of human beings, with the humans like pylons supporting the SMC, an integral part of the SMC.

The Zion of Enoch (about 6000 BC) parallels the current construction of Zion (now), which forms a new Socio-Memory Complex. A previous Zion to these two is Ramtha and there many ancient entities that can be found amoung the autistic legions.

Ra currently holds the title for the most influencial SMC, making him The Christ, the Grand Mediator for Earth. The Shamballah SMC (Sanat/Sananda) in conjunction with the Ra SMC forms Atum-Ra, which was in Egyptian times the primary spiritual force in the West, and still is today. I am using the archaic terms here.

The Light-Polarized SMC's include Seth/Thoth/Typhon, Lucifer proper, Holy Ghost/Elyon with the Love-Polarized including Horus, Jesus/Jehovah, Michael. There is also in the East analogs of this with Vishnu, Krishna, Siddhartha (Buddha), and others.

There are also SMC's that don't have direct connectivity with our plane of existance (ie. they don't have much human contact and are anchored much higher dimentionally speaking) like the Solar Logos (Virocanna/Ziatoupha) and the Avatar of Synthesis (Pliedian).

I'll talk a bit about the NWO at a later time. I think there is enough information to keep you thinking for a while.

SPAN: Can you elaborate on your understanding of the concept that lucifer is the half brother of Jehovah born of sophia without the male aspect.

J: I can.

Jehovah is Love polarized, passionate, and a natural Leader. Lucifer on the other hand is Light polarized, analytical, and beleives in Brotherhood. Gender esoterically refers to much more than whether you stand or sit when taking a pee. Shiva, or stability is the male aspect, and Shakti, or dynamisism is the female aspect. So symbolically, Jehovah and Lucifer are "related" with Jehovah being static/male and Lucifer being dynamic/female.

I think this is consistant with Neognostic thought.

SPAN: Is it correct that lucifer also corresponds with the same entity or mind called at various times Raphael, Enki, Typhon, and Set. And probably the most important question is what exactly is the law of confusion and how does it work. Thanks.

J: The light-polarized groups do include beings of these names. Enki is an interesting one. Those of Summerian heritage might be using this name, in the same way Sethians use an archaic name. It is a token of respect to the noble and royal lineages that have existed for Millenia.

An aspect of the Law of Confusion is that you don't have Free Will if you are confused. In other words, you don't Choose, you just by chance take one option or the other. Confusion takes many forms, but one of the most common is ignorance. Even with an agile mind and a desire to be positive, if you have insufficent knowledge, you will make very confused Choices, many times even striving against what you want to happen.

Confusion is a natural human state. Nephilim have an interesting mentalization that makes them resistant to confusion. Encoded directly into their spiritual DNA is the ability for positive conspiracy. Most Nephs prefer Game play based on positive conspiracy, and use of intelligence over force. For example, you'll notice that here on AST that many fly their group's colors, the Square & Compass, Skull and Crossbones, the color Blue, and other Builder symbols. I might fly these colors myself here in the future.

posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 12:34 AM
I'm just curious, if HH was ordered to divulge this information as his duty, who is providing information analogous to this to the billions of non-western, non-english speaking people of the planet. Who is instructing the Chinese, the Indians, the Koreans??

They have their own secret elite providing esoterica on the internet? Or are we the privileged few? Who are they? What is the name of their house? family? SMC??

Be specific.


posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 04:05 AM
Hi Joan,

Originally posted by JoanTheBlind
reply to post by Littlesthobo

I am of Nephilimic heretige. That is about all I will say about it. In the other thread I go into a little bit more depth about it:

This is about all I can say.

How did you become aware of that?
Is it knowledge that was passed on from your parents to you?
Do you guys have special schools were they teach you these things?

You seem to know quite a bit about the issues you talk about and I find these threads very interesting, but I can't help wondering if you ever considered the fact that most convinced people "know" that the story they believe is the "right" one (based on very little evidence/faith). Including skeptics and scientists.

What makes yours or HH's perspective different to us from that of people following any other belief system, other than that you have a defined role and purpose stated in it? I mean even if HH's bloodlines are real and they are truly ruling us like puppets, how do they know what they believe in is real?

I'm not trying to be negative here, I really want to believe in a lot regarding spirituality and such, (because it is more fun than the alternative) but I'm the kind of guy that have to see it for myself, and so far I personally haven't experienced anything extraordinary except in realistic dreams (I think), but still I won't say it's impossible after reading about people's experiences that at least they think are real. I suppose reality is relative in a way.


posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 07:27 AM
joantheblind...or should i say, hi hidden hand!

why do you both have the same provider at the same location...and why the same ip address behind the (very amateuristic) cloak?

do u both live in the same secret society castle? what a coincidence, and you both missed each other in the corridors

i have enough data to totally uncover you hidden hand, as the fraud you are because you also posted on other forums with links to here, pretending to be someone else. 'i was so impressed with this thread, everyone read and comment' kind of posts. keep bumping your threads.

signing off, someone who knows a few things about computers ;P

posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 07:27 PM
Hello Joan! Im really interested in your information, I deeply feel its truth,
as well as Hidden Hand and Insider. Everything is very familiar to me.
Thank you all!


posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 09:49 PM
FYI, if you are enjoying this topic of this thread and interested in the implications of what is being discussed, I highly recommend you check out a recent radio broadcast archived at "Journey's with Rebecca". On Tuesday, she had Wendy Kennedy on, who channlels the 9th Dimensional Pleiadian Collective. It was very interesting and dovetails nicely with a lot of the discussion here.


"If you are still feeling you are being manipulated and there are conspiracies going on, that is just a mirror for you to see that you have yet to step into your full power...there are no victims, only willing participants."

It's a 2 hr show with Wendy Kennedy talking about how the whole channeling thing started with her for the first 10 or 15 minutes, then the Pleiadians start communicating and it gets really interesting...

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...

posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 01:05 AM
reply to post by JoanTheBlind

Hello Joan! You mentioned that at this time of the End, a huge natural
process is occuring, and that is why Hidden Hand felt the desire to share
with us information to benefit us. Is this process at the level of the whole
planet or is individually?

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