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New bible found in cyprus

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posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 02:43 PM
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Interesting find but its probably just a nicely done modern copy of the bible used by the East Syrian rite. Probably a church copy or one given to Bishop or Priest.

Syriac is a known language it doesn't have to be "translated", I know someone who can speak and read it (A Syrian Christian)

If you read the article you'll note that an expert who saw a photo noticed that it was written in modern Syriac.


After further scrutiny of photographs of the book, manuscripts specialist at the University of Cambridge library and Fellow of Wolfson College JF Coakley suggested that the book could have been written a good deal later.

"The Syriac writing seems to be in the East Syriac script with vowel points, and you do not find such manuscripts before about the 15th century.

"On the basis of the one photo...if I'm not mistaken some words at least seem to be in modern Syriac, a language that was not written down until the mid-19th century,"


(bbcode)

[edit on Wed Feb 11 2009 by Jbird]




posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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Regardless of this one book, I believe that we are living in a time where there is going to be a backlash of new information that will stun the religious masses.

It has only been in the recent years that scholars have revealed that the Bible is not based on anything original! Now, how long have they had this important piece of info? It was kept silent in the scholarly theologian society until some rebelled against this secret. What more will be revealed, and or shot down?



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Scholars aren't hiding stuff they are finding stuff. One of the interesting aspects of scholarship in these areas is that is now safe to dissect mostreligions. Some you till take a chance in exposing. You can point out errors and contradictions in some religions now where in the past you'd been killed for doing so.

Religions evolve over time, they absorb bits and pieces from other religions and adapt to the society they are in. Being man made they are adaptable.

But we stray from the purpose of this thread



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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I agree if its alot later than stated.. its still interesting to find out what inside this little book.

Im just still amazed they took the time to use gold? i mean what happend to the good old day of pen and paper hehe

If anything it will give us another prospective on what we "think" we know and using books that no one has seen in a very long time even if its the 19th cent will always be good for us to go over cross refrence ect

i think its a good little find and worth a translation.. pitty the person you know cant get his hand on this book and give us an ATS translation of what its infact sayin "and no thiefing the gold"


good point and well noted!!



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 03:01 PM
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I know there are lots of antique hoaxers out there who obtain 'ancient materials ' and rework them into things like this

it sucks because the old artifacts that they mutilate and destroy in this process are the 'real treasures'

there are tests they can do on the gold on this thing that can determine it's age and origins

as well as the parchment or whatever that is ,the modern Syrian ,is a dead give away ,I call shenanigans on this find



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 03:18 PM
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The first Bible was probably a single page...ten commandments...or "Everything I ever need to know I learned in Kindergarten..."
The rest is BS.
What humans have done since the beginning of time is to alter things; take what works just fine, and make it complicated as heck...
Thus, we have 1 page morphed into thousands of pages of stuff no human can live up to.
10 Ideals??? I can handle that.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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I beleive the oldest bound book was the 4th century. So just the book being bound has to make you think its not 2000 years old. At that time every thing was scrolls.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 03:57 PM
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The bible is probably just an orthodox one

en.wikipedia.org...

The link above explains the differences of the Syrian rite

www.assyrianchurch.com.au...

This link is to a Assyrian church (which follows the Syrian rite) and is in English.

[edit on 8/2/09 by Hanslune]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by sy.gunson
Carbon dating a small piece of it would clarify it's age.

What interests me is whether it differs from the Bible altered in the Council of Nycea in 325 BC ?

I would love to see an online comparison between the Bible pre 325BC and what we have now ?


You probably didn't notice your slip up, but you mean CE (Common Era, formerly AD), not BC (commonly known today as BCE, Before Common Era).


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Regarding the book's age; There's no way this dates back to the time of the character of Jesus, since none of the New Testament was written until decades after the time of his supposed death. Furthermore, as alluded to in the above reply, the collection of works by various authors in today's Bible canon wasn't settled on until LONG after, so there's no way the book dates from earlier than a couple hundred of years after the start of the Common Era, at the VERY, VERY earliest.


I love how the article starts out by insinuating this is juicier than it could possibly ever be, with the mention of it being written in "a dialect of the native language of Jesus" and "they believe the manuscript could be about 2,000 years old." - Sensationalist tabloid nonsense at it's best!



Nice find though.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 04:29 PM
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this is the bible of Tree of Jesse. The Gospel of Matthew opens with a Tree of Jesse under which Jesse, one of Christ's ancestors, is asleep. A vine grows near his head. Within its tendrils are four half-length figures; Christ is the uppermost one with his hand raised in blessing.

this book, it seems was written just when jesus got killed by the jews. the gold is jesus, the other parts are unknown to me.

the gold, says jesus was traded for gold, mattew of nasravf paid by blood and lust for his sins, they killed Matthew.

at the end of the page you will see blood from the first born child and a goats blood.

the childs blood will not be male.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by theresult
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I agree its very mad, the only thing im confused with not so much the date "1000" years or "2000" the fact this book/bible was writen IN GOLD is what baffles me!!!

and the dates are going to be interesting.. 1k or 2k if this book was made it has info we all deserve to be aware of so we can make our own judgements


Well, the Bible was put together about 200 AD, so we know (if it's a full Bible) it has to be at least that old... or younger.

The ink is made of gold (not the whole book), so the skin is dateable. It was not unusual for the very wealthy to have religious texts that were decorated with gold images... or for wealthy monasteries to have the same sort of item. The looters may have nabbed it from a museum collection (the Baghdad museum and libraries were destroyed during the war, and looters made off with a lot of things).

Depending on which sect it belonged to, it may not contain anything more than what St. Augustine set down in the Vulgate version of the Bible. It's known that he used both Greek and Latin sources.

Still, kinda neat, and I look forward to hearing more about it.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 05:12 PM
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The only way to really date it would be to date the glue that holds the gold in place. Date the glue and you know when the gold lettering was placed in it.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 06:21 PM
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WOW, extremely interesting!!! hopefully we hear some updates about this very soon, great find



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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In the last decade so many stunning historical discoveries have emerged and so many of them turned out to be altered or total fakes.

It's worth the effort for forgers with items going for over a million easily.
Even some known fakes fetched good prices.


I may be wrong, this one sounds questionable.


Mike F



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 06:41 PM
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Thank you. It was not too long before the filth of the Vatican came out with a statement that it was ok to believe in extraterrestrial life. The pope or whatever his name is. This seems fair at the moment that the UK opened up their junk files to the public as well. It's one of those lost ideals that seems to fade away in time. A beaten and battered shield protects the weak. The fable that hides beneath conflict. It's a pity that religious communities deny this intelligence but yet retain their own entity without existence.

Having this book see the light will only put a burden on keeping its contents obscured. Whoever reads this book will misrepresent the story and align it to their own faith. I'm sure it will sell many translations and museum trips. It's fascinating that gold was used to produce it's contents. Although there maybe more behind the author it looks rather dated and delicate.

I'm sure there are many priceless relics out there. Oddly enough not one gold tablet has been found or one of the MEs retained to the public. That is where the Vatican will fail. In the private sector everythings for sale.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 07:28 PM
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Q: How long will it take to censor and "loose" the bible?
A: As long as it takes the church to find that it goes against the teachings. And we all know how all the other books that have been lost of the years.
If anyone has made that points sorry. Its just a shame that the church will protect there lies upon lies.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by Wertdagf
LOL if it contridicts anything that current religious people believe..... it will just be thrown out as a fake... or a devils trick.

Such a beautiful world.... makes me laugh and cry at the same time.


wow so let me get this straight, like the dead sea scrolls which only verified what is thought was all along correct in the scriptures and all the translations made in the KJV were in fact accurate. The scenarios given here are ALL setup that no matter what is found out the hope is

1) it disproves what Christians now believe and,,

2) If it doesn't than it is because we have taken control of it and deny it or

3) We discard it as bunk anyway because we are just so brainwashed by religion. You know that thing that was invented by man to control the masses so we would all love one another and not murder one another, cheat on our spouse etc. I suppose I will have to hear about all the "BAD" stuff Christians have done like the salem witch trials where I am asked to believe they killed some 200,000 people regardless of the fact it was only 20 or so, OR the fact that those doing that claiming to be Christians did it in spite of what Christianity is about. I suppose the equivocation being used as a logical fallacy for religious argument but it doesn't change the FACT that it is true nevertheless.

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posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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The original new testament was written on cypress and has rotted into oblivion. Only a ravaged copy of it remains referred to as the dead sea scrolls.

Correct me if I am wrong.

papyrus

[edit on 8-2-2009 by interested-one]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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I am at a loss to understand why some of the posters here have a concept that the Vatican is the ultimate source for truth about any Bible version or anything and everything to do with Christianity. I see this over and over on ATS/BTS.

It is like the Vatican is the automatic default setting for anything and everything Christian. Does nothing Christian exist outside of the Vatican??
Strange position some of the posters here seem to have or imply.

Vellum is a type of carefully prepared animal skin. This would be done by and for those who could afford it. An important clue here. Also back in those times manuscripts and books would be very expensive..period. This being before the printing press made books more affordable and less expensive and hence..availabale. So this is an indicator of who could even afford such a book.

Syriac is a known language. Bibles in Syriac are available and also translated into other languages so one can look it up online.

Have any of you ever heard of the Peshetta??

I do not think there will be anything new here in this Bible which was not already known.

Thanks,
Orangetom

[edit on 8-2-2009 by orangetom1999]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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hey i didnt know that!!! still kinda amazing tho whatever this little book has we all dont know what is inside it.

i just like the gold part seems intresting to go through all that trouble to print ? i dont know if you can print gold lol.. but you get the jist..

I mean if there is only one passage in this book thats cross refrenced with the palapha? "peltherar"? oh whatever you know "lots" of other books.. it would be interesting just for the sake of reading it =D


and just so others understand "this is not a hate bible fest"...

its a descovery of a "another" Book.. thats the point so try not to flame into religion so much and focus on dates and what the "little" book "i named it" has to offer "us" as readers!

we know its from cypruss and its wrote in "syrica" and it dates around 19th cent.. oh and something about the books cover "i think someone said leather? or animal skin"..

I think its cool that its been "hidden/stolen" and has not had the chance for people to have a gander at its contence for so long.

I still think its interesting no matter who or what time it came from.

lets keep it clean and focus on the "little" book!

and thanks to everyone who is posting...

I only refrenced the dead sea scrolls "becouse" they was also descovered ect.. this was abit weird tho in that it was "found" by cops who was doing a sting "i found that really funny"





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