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CheckpointUSA: Gestapo Internal Checkpoints Right Here in America

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posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 01:40 AM
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I don't know whether to take you seriously or not.

You also seem to presume to know a lot about me on the basis of a few scant posts and a spiffy avatar.



Originally posted by rcwj75
...but come to my/our world and see whats really happening on the streets of OUR nation...


I'll pass.

I prefer to stay in my world where rants like yours are a possible indication they emanate from an unstable mind.

Lay off the coffee, dude.

Seriously.



[edit on 9-2-2009 by loam]




posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by rcwj75

3 Illegal MEXICANS killed a woman last week in my city because she wouldn't give them money for walking down "THEIR" street! Yeah THEIR street...here in america...all 3 illegal...


Ok so why dont we ban guns while were at it? Lets not just stop at infringement of civil liberties with a few border checkpoints..

But before you argue the benefits of such a move just bear in mind, they banned automatics & semi-automatics in Australia too and the number of gun deaths went up! So we lost our right to bear arms and the loss of the right achieved NOTHING.

But hey, its only YOUR civil liberties at stake here. Trade them off for a few beans and a promise of no more murders by Mexicans if you want - its your country. Just dont jump out of bed in the morning expecting a beanstalk to be sitting outside your window. That only happens in fairy tales..



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 01:50 AM
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www.komonews.com...



TACOMA, Wash. - An AWOL Fort Lewis soldier accused of raping and torturing two women near Tacoma pleaded not guilty Thursday in Pierce County Superior Court.


Sorry, first time putting a link and snipet, maybe it didn't come out right.

Anywhoo.... my point is that not only Mexicans commit crimes.
As for the checkpoint, the one on the video was close enough to the border (I consider 40 miles as close) to look for illegals or people smuggling them into the USA.

[edit on 2/9/2009 by semperfortis]



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 08:24 AM
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I would have asked if that one agent is a U.S. Citizen, the man could barely speak English.
Seems a lot of people on here don't realize what's happening here, I don't feel the need or obligation to explain, anyone who has been here at least a month should know what's going on, it's not that hard to figure out.

-Lahara



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


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Duh, its called the burden of proof. Innocent UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!

Every American is INNOCENT unless there is evidence that they have committed a crime!!

Innocent people dont have to prove themselves innocent!! The burden is on THE STATE to prove that the are guilty of some wrongdoing! Unless they have PRoBABLE CAUSE they have NO RIGHT to bother you. ITS CALLED THE 4TH AMENDMENT!!

Due process and the rule of law!

Its clear that discussing this with you is pointless because you are WOEFULLY ignorant of the laws that govern our society.


Please stop shouting, it's rude, unnecessary and you'll give yourself an aneurysm.

As for the issue at hand, the DHS agents at the border patrol check point merely asked he declare his residency status, not if he hit a pedestrian or robbed a bank. Also, it was a reasonable question considering the proximity of the Mexican border a scant 40 miles away. Securing our national borders is a lawful duty, is it not?

It seems to me that you have a slight case of tunnel vision concerning the law of the land. You only see and acknowledge what you want to see, despite the broad picture. So, before you go around referring to people who disagree with your narrow view of things as "woefully ignorant," I suggest you take a deep breath and look in the mirror.



As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




[edit on 2/9/2009 by maria_stardust]



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by rcwj75
The guy behind the camera needs a baseball bat to the teeth. If you think its being a SHEEP to answer a question about being an AMERICAN your a complete AHOLE! [snip]
1. We have professional border agents who are trying their best to fend off as many illegals, and scum from coming to MY country as possible...even though the odds are stacked against them.


You are not seeing the point. It starts there but ends on your highway in your town. We are Americans and we are free. They knew who this guy was...they can tell he is an American and they have no right to detain you unless you are under suspicion. Do you not understand what freedom is and what you fought for?

Here is a good example for you, I spent more time than I should have to make a diagram for you in photoshop so please read carefully. I live in the State of Michigan, we have two ways of entry to another country, Canada. They are both bridges and both easily controlled. I was driving down the freeway one day and there was the Border Patrol in front of me. Look at the nice picture I made to give you some perspective.

Why was this agent driving where he was. It was not a route between the two borders, they are well over 350 miles from each other. He was going west bound to Grand Rapids on the west side of this state.

Something stinks about asking Americans for our papers.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by prionace glauca
Its seems like the driver was doing a good job in provoking some kind of action from the agent.

I am against unwarranted searches and checkpoints but this video was more about confrontation to get a point across.


It was about confrontation. But who chose the confrontation? The DHS chose the confrontation while the driver chose to demonstrate what happens when he asserts his rights. The driver merely allowed the DHS confrontation to happen. And they rightfully stepped down from their position.

Illegal Immigration has to stop at the borders, not 150 miles later.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 10:39 AM
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I would like to repost the words of Justice Brennan that I quoted previously, because I think they make a very good point, for those who still don't understand why some people feel the need to object to these checkpoints:


Dispensing with reasonable suspicion as a prerequisite to stopping and inspecting motorists because the inconvenience of such a requirement would make it impossible to identify a given car as a possible carrier of aliens is no more justifiable than dispensing with probable cause as prerequisite to the search of an individual because the inconvenience of such a requirement would make it impossible to identify a given person in a high-crime area as a possible carrier of concealed weapons.


The allowance of these arbitrary interrogations, innocuous and well-being as they may be (and on ATS, of course, we have our doubts), creates a breech in the 'wall of prohibition' that protects all our rights. In a balance between Constitutionality and expedience, expedience should never win.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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Spoon, glad to see someone gets it. I also served and I see what this guy is trying to prove. RCW, you should applaud this guy in the video, he has the balls to actually question authority.

Sad thing is this is just a place to park bodies, DHS, TSA, you name it they just keep growing. I was traveling out of Ontario, CA airport three weeks ago and, it was almost laughable the number of TSA agents that were working. At one time I counted 32 agents just in the security check point. In the terminal in total there was probably 50 or more. Managers, and more managers, people trying to look busy.

All this stuff is, is job creation. DHS prior to 9/11 wasn't even a dept, now 200 billion a year budget. But i sure do feel safe.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 12:48 PM
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Perhaps if we were to enforce our current laws, deny social services to illegals, prosecute and heavily fine companies that employ illegals, and make drug crimes either more stringent or make them legal, we might not have to have the checkpoints.

And just for arguments sake, do you rally think a terrorist will pull up to one of these checkpoints and ask in a foreign language" excuse me, can you direct me to Washington? I have a package to deliver."

That is why we need to stand up for our individual rights. Let's force the bureaucracy to implement and follow common sense laws that do not impede on the average citizen, and will put the criminals behind bars.

respectfully

reluctantpawn



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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a lot of responses seem like right out of a fascist comic book from Italy or Germany! My nationality is not probable cause for any dictates. Every person travelling legally in the US is protected by law from unlawful search and seizure. Fascism is screaming at the top of it's lungs that liberty is getting trounced in the dirt by a bunch of #ing morons! what does that say about the morons who think it's cool to be trounced on? What a disappointment from people who think they are for America, when in fact they are mislead about the defining characteristics of the law of the land to which they live. a pamphlet is not the law. blah blah blah



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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Star and Flag....

However, if that was any police department... the outcome would be different.

And I have seen police checkpoints (for drunk drivers)... and they will not hesitate to arrest you if you ask questions.

But out in the desert, the police department is very scarce.



Once Martial Law is announced... it won't make any difference.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 03:24 PM
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Jeez, I can't say here what I think about that driver. I don't know how he managed to drive with that chip on his shoulder.

I've lived in the Southwest US half my adult life and have driven through these checkpoints many, many times. On clear days I can see the mountains at the border from my home and these checkpoints are a part of life here. The officers are always pleasant and polite and I have never felt imposed upon in any way. They are doing their job.

There are many rights of ours that are being threatened, but this story does not indicate one, in my opinion. These guys are just asking for cooperation from the population to help them keep illegal immigrants from entering the country. I have no problem whatsoever in cooperating with them to keep illegal immigration to a minimum. I've been doing it ever since I've been here.

I guess it all depends on what you're used to. I don't have a problem with this at all. They have a job to do.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
These guys are just asking for cooperation from the population



Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I don't know how he managed to drive with that chip on his shoulder.


If the perception is that, by choosing not to 'cooperate', a person has a 'chip on their shoulder' and shouldn't be allowed to simply drive off, then the officers at that checkpoint, de facto, are not 'just asking for cooperation', are they?

Regardless of the value of the service these officers are performing, we shouldn't let any type of respect for color of authority coerce us into relinquishing our rights.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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The guy approached the checkpoint knowing that he was going to cause a confrontation. Yes, he caused it. He went with that purpose. THAT'S why I say he had a chip on his shoulder. Not because he chose not to cooperate.


I believe they are asking for cooperation. I know how illegal immigrants are transported across the border. I am very much against people entering this country illegally, so I am more than willing to cooperate.

Feeding the "us against them" mentality (in this case citizens against immigration officers) is misplaced, in my opinion.


Originally posted by Ian McLean
Regardless of the value of the service these officers are performing, we shouldn't let any type of respect for color of authority coerce us into relinquishing our rights.


It's not respect for authority that motivates me to cooperate with these guys. I don't have a whole lot of that. And it's certainly not coercion. It's my own self-interest as a US citizen and my desire to help protect my country that motivates me to partner with them. They are actually there to serve me. And they are doing a wonderful job. They are keeping illegal immigrants out of my town. They are doing me a favor. (Remember, illegal immigrants are criminals by definition)

As regards "relinquishing" one's rights, I have many rights I don't exercise. Choosing not to exercise a right is not the same as relinquishing it. I still have the right. Firearm ownership, for example. If I choose not to own a gun, that doesn't mean I have relinquished the right. And if I choose to cooperate with these officers, that doesn't mean I've relinquished my right to privacy.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 04:08 PM
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Yep, they are on our team.


Hopefully, the increased presence of the BP is effective...and isn't cut back by a request from auntie Janet.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by reluctantpawn
Perhaps if we were to enforce our current laws, deny social services to illegals, prosecute and heavily fine companies that employ illegals, and make drug crimes either more stringent or make them legal, we might not have to have the checkpoints.



respectfully

reluctantpawn





If only such were the case. However, cries of 'racism' would follow, and the politicians who enacted such legislation, and the agencies enforcing such policies would cave- as they have done in Prince William County, Virginia, under the guise that such programs cost too much money to implement.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 04:26 PM
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If we could only keep them from crossing the border...

About once a month we receive a news report of "suspected" illegal border crossers having an accident on the I-10, or I-19, south of Phoenix, about 150 miles from the border.
Numerous injuries are reported, due to a greatly overloaded vehicle. The injured are abandoned by their amigos, who scatter through the desert to avoid capture.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by LoneGunMan

You are not seeing the point. It starts there but ends on your highway in your town. We are Americans and we are free. They knew who this guy was...they can tell he is an American and they have no right to detain you unless you are under suspicion. Do you not understand what freedom is and what you fought for?


WRONG! The US Border Patrol has jurisdiction across the entire country. That is the ONLY way they can legally catch and detain and haul off illegals. As I have said about 50 times already in these threads, illegals do not just park their butt 5 inches on the US side of the boarder. They go ALL OVER the country. It does NOT end at the highway at the edge of any town, it streches from the east border, to the west border, from the north border to the south border.

And how are they to know this video idiot is American...just because he "sounds" American? Just becasue he is "white"? Just because he is holding a video camera making an ass of himself? They would know he is an American had the idiot simply answered the question, and been waved on. Justifying an act of purposely causing a problem is no better than the one instigating the problem.



Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Here is a good example for you, I spent more time than I should have to make a diagram for you in photoshop so please read carefully. I live in the State of Michigan, we have two ways of entry to another country, Canada. They are both bridges and both easily controlled. I was driving down the freeway one day and there was the Border Patrol in front of me. Look at the nice picture I made to give you some perspective.

Why was this agent driving where he was. It was not a route between the two borders, they are well over 350 miles from each other. He was going west bound to Grand Rapids on the west side of this state.

Something stinks about asking Americans for our papers.


Perhaps that border patrol agent lives in Grand Rapids? Perhaps that border agent was going to a base location, one of many they have all across the country?

They never ask for your papers. They ask.."Are you an American citizen".

All you have to do is simply answer..."yes". And be on your way.

Or...is that just too darned simple for some people?





Cheers!!!!

[edit on 9-2-2009 by RFBurns]



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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Si! I am an American. Can I go now? Really how many people are going to say no I am an illegal alien. I trade in drugs and people. I did not know this checkpoint has been here the last ten years. C'mon people there really has to be a better way. Do you really believe they are stupid? That my friends is racism. No illegal is going to go near that place.

respectfully

reluctantpawn



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