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Obama's NSC will get sweeping new powers

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posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:55 AM
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Obama's NSC will get sweeping new powers


www.msnbc.msn.com

updated 11 minutes ago

President Obama plans to order a sweeping overhaul of the National Security Council, expanding its membership and increasing its authority to set strategy across a wide spectrum of international and domestic issues.

The result will be a "dramatically different" NSC from that of the Bush administration or any of its predecessors since the forum was established after World War II to advise the president on diplomatic and military matters, according to national security adv
New NSC directorates will deal with such department-spanning 21st-century issues as cybersecurity, energy, climate change, nation-building and infrastructure. Many of the functions of the Homeland Security Council, established as a separate White House entity by President Bush after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, may be subsumed into the expanded NSC, although it is still undetermined whether elements of the HSC will remain as a separate body within the White House.
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posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:55 AM
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I sure seems to me that all of the domestic things that the Bush administration put in place are still going to be there.
Now, this article makes it sound like they will just talk about what ever action they take in a clearer voice with out the back channels.

Notice that the article does not say any of the homeland security programs are going away.

"Result of directive expands security body's role far beyond traditional range".

If that doesn't scare you a bit, then it should.

The other thing that I notice is that if a conservative President had announced this, he would be crucified on the Sunday morning talk shows.

Guess what...not a peep for the left on this issue.

I guess that it's OK when their guy continues what Mr. Bush is blamed for starting.

www.msnbc.msn.com
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posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 09:20 AM
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VERY INTERESTING! Doesn't that give all of you the warm fuzzies?

I hope all these 'sweeping new powers' .. as well as all the old 'sweeping powers'.. are used for national security measures and not to go after people who dare to question Obama - like ... oh ... 'Joe the Plumber' for example.

Akron Beacon Journal (gotta sign up to get the full article) said that according to Inspector General Tom Charles -at least half a dozen agencies state records on Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher (Joe the Plumber) after Joe The Plumber asked Obama his famous question.

The Department of Job and Family Services as well as The Ohio Department of Taxation conducted questionable database searches on the man.

The Columbus Dispatch also brings in Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers.

But of course CHANGE, HOPE, and UNITY means that these 'sweeping new powers' won't be used for nefarious reasons, right? Just like how power was not misused during the election cycle ...


It's somehow different because it's really change... somehow ... it's obviously change .... right ... you can all see the change, can't you?



[edit on 2/8/2009 by FlyersFan]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 09:32 AM
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MSNBC is right on this story but a MSM tool on all other stories? This confuses me how the liberal elite MSM MSNBC would throw Obama under the bus. They are supposed to be helping him.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 09:39 AM
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I really don't see it as a big deal, but it could dilute the authority of the National Security Council. Basically the council as it stand now primarily deals with military, intelligence and diplomatic issues. What Obama wants to do is add on experts from other Departments, Energy, Treasury, etc... This will allow the NSC to deal with a wide range of issues, both domestic and foreign, without only focusing on the first three listed above. However these other experts from the relevant departments would likely be called to meetings on a case by case basis (as it relates to them). I don't think they'll sit in on every meeting as a permanent member.

I just think this is a lot of issues for one body to discuss with efficiency.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 09:57 AM
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but people on ATS thought that Obama was freedom


Obama is nothing ,but a corporate fascist who works for CFR, like Bush .

Obama will dismantle USA just like that zionist puppet Gorbachev dismantled USSR



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:05 AM
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"Sweeping new powers"

Not the change I was hoping for.

With the economic crisis, growing government, sweeping new powers etc. this is all starting to look like the beginning of a George Orwell fantasy.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by Walkswithfish
"Sweeping new powers"

Not the change I was hoping for.


Or the headline I would have approved as chief. It should be "new authority", not "powers", the NSC has no "powers" to begin with. And by the term "authority" I mean ability to ponder and make recommendations on issues which may not be strictly related to the military, intelligence community or diplomacy. See how much simpler life is when comprehensive and critical reading is applied?



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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It certainly looks like "sweeping new powers" to me, not just for the NSC, but for the new President.

from the article:


Directorates inside Jones's NSC staff will oversee implementation of decisions. "It doesn't mean that we micromanage or supervise," he said. "But you have to make sure, . . . particularly if it's a presidential decision, that the president is kept abreast of how things are going. That it doesn't just fall off the end of the table and disappear into outer space."


Change?

Again, this is not the kind of change we need, a consolidation of powers provides an opportunity for TOO MUCH power over the people.

With a potential for complete economic collapse, more and more people are going to become dependant on a growing government, with sweeping new powers... There is great potential for unstoppable abuse of that power.

I was a fool to believe in change, and today I admit that.


I am afraid that the vision of the United States of America that our founding fathers had is going to be exchanged for a new vision of 'change'. A future where government is everything, and everyone will comply if they want to survive, or else.

Read the whole article, all pages and put some deeper thought into it. Also consider current events. This is not a good sign at all. Socialism, expanding government, possible death of capitalism in exchange for government control, investment and regulations etc. with leadership gaining sweeping NEW powers.

The direction is changing, the course is full blown socialism, to get there consolidating powers while gaining more control and regulation over the private sector and the people through a convenient financial crisis or possible collapse will take us all to a place we should not want to be.

Dependant on government. Liberty, opportunity, freedom and the will of the people lost.

Welcome to the beginning of the Communist States of America!

___ bless the CSA!



[edit on 8-2-2009 by Walkswithfish]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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After reading this information, go take a look at Loams thread - A voice from the past and see where this country is now compared to where it was. It'll shock the heck out of you. The Obama administration is just more of the same wrong direction.



[edit on 2/8/2009 by FlyersFan]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 11:23 AM
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I would also wager that most of the'POWERS' used will be used against Americans and domestic spying and ignore what ever threat we might face from abroad!

Zindo



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 11:28 AM
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reply to post by FlyersFan
 


Good stuff, thank you for sharing.

Why do I feel like I just woke up from a nearly life long sleep?

Honestly, I'm not usually a paranoid person, but I feel as if the times that lie ahead for us all are going to go from bad to much worse. Not just lost jobs and a failed economy, that is a foregone conclusion now. A sinking feeling that we are on the verge of changes none of us have fully foreseen or expected, though some have tried to warn us of things to come, perhaps many like myself were simply asleep.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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It is so distressing for me to watch these events unfold.

I really do want to hope for the best, but feel the need to prepare for the worst.

Strap in those seat belts, because this is gonna be a bumpy ride.


[edit on 8-2-2009 by loam]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by loam
I really do want to hope for the best, but feel the need to prepare for the worst.


You aren't alone in that regard.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.

I 'hope' the winds of 'change' do not blow us all over a cliff.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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Everyone make way for the new Civilian Security Force! I can foresee it becoming a new arm of the NSC to keep the country free of any and all possible anti-Obama sentiment. We're all in for some Change, but I doubt many of us will like what it entails.

[edit on 8-2-2009 by LLoyd45]



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 07:56 AM
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The more I think about it, I think obama's slogan was a typo, instead of "Change" I think what it was suppose to say was "Chains".



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 08:08 AM
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But I don't get it, why the need to expand The NSC powers when we already have homeland of oppression I mean homeland security to do that.

Now to have two groups oppressing the citizens more than already are?

I am not surprise as we here in ATS many times warn people about the results and repercussions of the type of initiatives the Bush administration did in their pursue of more powers.

The door is wide open to anything else any administration will bring upon and against the citizens.

I wonder when all this is going to actually be called unconstitutional when the powers of the executive branch takes over everything else.

[edit on 9-2-2009 by marg6043]



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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I'm shocked that this thread has died off in responses. This is big stuff. I'm waiting for someone to come along and explain how this is 'change from the way Washington does things'. Or is it change .. as in digging the hole deeper?



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 01:23 PM
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FlyersFan,
With that post I have invested in mining equipment so I can try to dig my way out of that hole thats being created. its a sink hole thats going to engulf most of the country and its citizens. I'm going to make a valiant effort to find my way out. Hope I don't run out of batteries...I hate being lost in the dark!!
Zindo



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 11:18 AM
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hey wth

page has expired?

That msnbc link is no longer good.
Anyone got an active link?

what happened?



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