reply to post by Myrtales Instinct
I have no problems with Paul personally. When I had my experience and gained my knowledge it's not like I just woke up 1 day saying "I just
don't like that Paul guy".
But I was not taught the truth by the bible, by any book or by any man. I was shown and given understanding on a personal level. I did not see
this in terms of Jesus, Paul and so on. I learned truths in the context not of the bible, but in terms of me and the father. The bible, Jesus
and Paul/Church was never specifically mentioned to me ever. The closest to this would be me learning not to focus on idols and symbolism, but
instead to focus on their actual means, what they stand for and what they are about. This includes religion, politics and everything in life.
The bible itself came after I had learned alot. I would see a random Jesus quote here and there. Or someone would point something out to me where
Jesus had said the same things I was saying on my own. This is great I thought. I can't believe I never knew or understood Jesus in this way. It
was never shown to me like this. I was relieved because I didn't think anyone at all knew what I did. I never heard anyone speak that way or
about those things.
But then some people started quoting Paul in response to me quoting Jesus. Saying I got it all wrong and so on. WHY??? I would say it is the
people themselves who are the authority, quoting Jesus. No I got in response, you are too submit to authority says Paul. And so on.
And that is where my problems with Paul come from. When there is debate over the meaning of something Jesus says, Paul wins out among
'believers'. And so it occurs to me that people are not following Jesus and the narrow path. They are following Paul. That is the problem.
As for John 14:20. This is what I experienced before everything else. It was on that day that I first knew the truth. And I didn't know it
because someone told me it, I wouldn't have believed them anyway. On that day I actually knew the truth for myself and experienced it.
At that time I was no where near Jesus, the bible or anything else. I realize now that for the most part I actually did keep the commandments of
Jesus, but not because they were the commandments of Jesus, but just because it seemed right to me. I have never seen Jesus, never talked to Jesus
personally. I did have a dream once where when I woke up I had the feeling and thought the person I was around was Jesus, but not sure what is dream
and what is not there.
But it is the father I know, not Jesus. And the reason I was so amazed at the words of Jesus is because I recognize the father is speaking through
him, just as he says. There is no doubt in my mind about this.
So oddly enough, John 14 kind of happened to me in an out of order way. I myself went from John 14:20, to John 14:24.
24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your
remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
And that is exactly what happened to me. On that day I knew that. It was followed by a period of time in which I learned and was taught much truth
This all happened before I ever knew it was said in the bible. So I was truly amazed when I first read these things. I had no clue it was in the
bible. When I first learned the path, I did somewhat notice that it was what Jesus said about judge not, but that was about the extent of it. I
never had anything against Jesus personally, and most people who aren't Christians don't either. The most popular saying I hear about
Christianity among non-believers is - "I don't hate Jesus, I hate what people do in his name".
So for me it's not based on what the bible says. And that is why I probably have issue with Paul where others do not. But there is no way in the
world I am going to drop what I've experienced and learned over the things Paul said. Paul says and does exactly the things I was shown not to
Now I realize Paul has a purpose. Just as Satan himself has a purpose. At the end of it all, I will hug and thank them both. I don't like GWB
at all, but I would hug him and thank him as well. Not because I agree with them, not because I follow them, but because of their evils, their
mistakes and so on I was able to learn and see the truth. If GWB hadn't done the things he did, I'd probably still be asleep thinking the USA
could do no wrong and so on. I would have never questioned my reality which lead me to the truth.
So I don't judge Paul on a personal level. For all I know these could have been writings of his during a time he didn't understand. I would hate
for some of my earlier writings to be passed off as truth, or really even my writings now. I would hate for someone to take what I said on these
forums as the truth to worship. But all I have to go on with Paul is his writings, and that is what I am against. And if Paul is sitting there
now then I would like to think that he would be happy if someone came along and corrected his mistakes to show people the truth. Because if such
happened to my writings, then I myself would hope someone would come along and correct my mistakes.
You know, I could drop all I think about this stuff and just say praise Jesus all the time, and every Christian on these forums would think I was
great. But such is what politicians do and I am not a politician. But that is what Paul does.
Hope this brings a better understanding of where I am coming from.