U.S. vs. China

Originally posted by rogue1

Originally posted by Taishyou
That is correct. China will never use its nuclear weapons offensively. This is a brief statement of their nuclear policy
www.infomanage.com...

No first-strike. Retalitory only.

More detailed
www.fas.org...

Here we go -

During a 1996 confrontation regarding PRC missile tests off the coast of the island of Taiwan, a senior Communist Chinese official (and frequent policy spokesman), told a US official not to interfere with relations between the PRC and Taiwan because Americans “care more about Los Angeles than they do Tai Pei.”
www.missilethreat.com...


As we can see from just this one statement official policy may not be what it seems all the time.

what does this have to do with a threato nuke taiwan???? or first use policy

Originally posted by rogue1

Originally posted by chinawhite
as for kennedy planing to bomb china suck shiet i knew i read it somewhere

www.centurychina.com...

what are you going to say now.

I would say what a complete load of propagandist BS. I mean please how much more biased can you get. You have already posted the links to these declassified papers which never mention the use of nulcear weapons against China in the 1960's. You really should do some more research than read some highly inaccurate site.

Here's another quote from it -

• Facing nuclear threat, Chairman Mao said:"we need to have some atomic bombs too". In 1964, China exploded its first A-Bomb, 30 months later, in 1967, it exploded its first H-Bomb, since then, China has developed a variety of strategic and tactical weapons, China also produced missiles of various ranges, initially targeting US bases at Japan and Philippines, and eventually the North America continent. Mao also said:"We must have nuclear submarines even if this would take us ten thousand years". China tested its nuclear subs in early 1970s and tested SLBMs later. The exact size of PLA nuclear stockpile is unknown, but reasonable estimate put it in the range of 2000-4000 warheads.
  

So China has 2000-4000 warheads by conservative estimates

Kinda runs contrary to what you've been saying LOL.

Please post some facts next time

[edit on 21-4-2005 by rogue1]

2000-4000 is not enough for a first strike

Here's quote from it
"US threatened China with nuclear weapons again in 1959.
From recently declassified documents, President Kennedy considered using nukes to bomb Chinese nuclear facilities in early 1960s , when China was on the verge of exploding its own bomb, but JFK was assassinated and the plan was dropped by President Johnson."

this site has the most accurate account of the korean war. its not bias to any side. we wont disscusing the actual use but the american first strike policy.

Originally posted by rogue1

Originally posted by Taishyou

Maybe he's just speaking out of anger. I honestly don't think ANY sensible nuke owner would use their nukes, ever. Every politician knows that for every nuke they launch at another nuclear nation, they'll get a few dozen back. The US already has enough nukes to blow the whole planet up several times. Nobody would dare launch one at the US, not even Russia (and vice versa too).

lol, maybe he is. However this is all about perceptions, the US has something else to think about if it defends Taiwan. That is, the Chinese may use nuclear weapons outside of their NFU policy. Besdies China is just like America, they have their ' HAWKS ' as well, if the have the ear of the Premier at the time of a conflict then anything is possible.
These publicly declared NFU policies mean absolutely nothing they can change on a whim.

you have not posted any facts about a minister talking first strike with nuclear weapons. itll be interesting to see the quotes you come up with

chinawhite, your posts are riduclously flawed, I can't be bothered responding - I'll let people read your links and decide for themselves.

Please get a clue, you should do far more reading - no picture books

And no I'm not in the US Army, nor am I even an American.

[edit on 22-4-2005 by rogue1]

whats so bad about picture books

what books do you Recommend. are you in the US army

chinawhite during the Korean war China and Russia were illegally involved in the war, and General McArthur thought hey, we have this big bomb that ended WWII why not use it on china to keep them out of N. Korea.
Since then policy has change because the ramifications of using nukes is known, and it is very bad for everyone.

How can any country be "illegally " in a war?
The rules that govern war are forgotten by every power, includeing war....those china and russia where sovrign countries....why shouldnt they be allowed to join a war when they are sovrign?

If the "mighty" America is loosing a simple war on a guerrilla force in a country with no military, just think what would happen in China, China have the biggest tank force in the world, biggest navy, biggest army 5million troops and up. And they now have the biggest system of AA gun littered around the country. They would use nuclear weapons. But the real question is why invade China. I have lived there, they are happy there is more freedom in China than there is in America. People are happier, healthier. If you did invade China anyway South Korea would not be your ally, but your enemy, nearly every Asian country would come to the defence of China. Not even America lapdog Britian would come to your defence.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
chinawhite during the Korean war China and Russia were illegally involved in the war, and General McArthur thought hey, we have this big bomb that ended WWII why not use it on china to keep them out of N. Korea.
Since then policy has change because the ramifications of using nukes is known, and it is very bad for everyone.

russia never formally entered the korean war. would you say america entered the russian-afgan war just because they provided aide to the afgans.and the americans went across the yalu river seperating china to korea so thats why china entered the war. read any books any it will say the same.

McArthur throught hey we have already entered the war in korea might as well invade china to. they already had plans to nuke 7 chinese sities and send the nationalist chinese to re-invade.

Originally posted by loftusdanielf
If the "mighty" America is loosing a simple war on a guerrilla force in a country with no military, just think what would happen in China, China have the biggest tank force in the world, biggest navy, biggest army 5million troops and up. And they now have the biggest system of AA gun littered around the country. They would use nuclear weapons. But the real question is why invade China. I have lived there, they are happy there is more freedom in China than there is in America. People are happier, healthier. If you did invade China anyway South Korea would not be your ally, but your enemy, nearly every Asian country would come to the defence of China. Not even America lapdog Britian would come to your defence.

Where do you come up with that stuff? Freer? Go to China and try to access information on the sanity of the public water supply. It is classified. Healthier? In Beijing alone, the pollution can get so bad that you cannot see 10 feet in front of you. And just try to protest the gov't in China. Look at their SARS outbreaks.

As for America in China compared to Iraq, you make the stupid mistake of assuming any country invading China would fight it politically correctly. The U.S. would smash Iraq if it was fighting it non-politcally correct, just as it did Afghanistan. As for tanks, the majority of Chinese tanks are not a match for an Abrams.

Don't make stupid posts.

Sanity of the public water supply? All water are treated in treatment plants before reaching your house in a supply pipe. All cities work in that way. Each town or (Zhen) must have its own treatment plant, its just the difference in size.

How is that info restricted? You have proven again that you don't know much Broadswords, think before you post.

The info you posted was somewhat wrong. China may have the largest navy but thats in vessel wise, not in displacement wise. China does not have a 5 million man army as in the last one and a half decade our forces decreased from a three million man army to the now 1.6 million man army, we need to build a "small" and advanced army utilizing both western and soviet tactics (in the case of invasion, guerilla war with the support of an excellent army with excellent equipment and logistics). Tank wise, I'm not sure about China being the biggest, I think Russia still has a hand on that one.

[edit on 22-4-2005 by COWlan]

Not really Cowlan; I was talking about the technical information on the chemicals and so forth in the water supplies. In America, that kind of stuff is public information. In China, it is a lot more censored.

Russia has the Biggest tank force US has the largest Navy and the largest airforce and China has more man power like a total of 2.5 million,

US could not invade China and Win and china could not Invade the US and win here is a scenerio with no Nukes allowed and No military draft allowed if US and China met on a flat desert battle field like Iraq and went plane to plane tank to tank helicoptor to helicopter armored vehicle to armored vehicle and navy to navy in the Gulf and our 1.6 million men against there 2.5 million US would win, More tanks More planes More helos with better tech, im not saying it would be a cake walk but US would win.

Water treatment info? Go and search on the web, you'll get an answer, although try to use a Chinese search engine. Pollution in Beijing isn't anywhere as bad as you said, being not able to see 9 feet away, thats stupid, all the people would die out in a few days if that happened. Boston or Chicago isn't so good either. For reasons, go and check out New York (not the famous places) and get a feel of the other side of the glorious US of A.

Yes, Los Angelos, New York City, etc....all have had pollution problems; heck, LA even has smog days. But the pollution in Chinese cities is some of the highest in the world, surpassing even the large U.S. cities.

Ever been to Houston, Texas....

The last time I remember being in China, everybody rides bicycles instead of driving SUVs with no other passengers. Buses come very often. There are also electric buses with those antenna thingies that are sort of like street cars but they have wheels. Subway is very new and very clean. The public transit is very good.

That was Shanghai.

[edit on 22-4-2005 by Taishyou]

Originally posted by Broadsword20068
Yes, Los Angelos, New York City, etc....all have had pollution problems; heck, LA even has smog days. But the pollution in Chinese cities is some of the highest in the world, surpassing even the large U.S. cities.

lol lol lol

this is a link to pictures of chinese cities

www.china-defense.com...

Originally posted by chinawhite
russia never formally entered the korean war. would you say america entered the russian-afgan war just because they provided aide to the afgans.and the americans went across the yalu river seperating china to korea so thats why china entered the war. read any books any it will say the same.

Ahem, if you read any history of the Korean War you would know that the PLA crossed into North Korea before the Ameriacans got to the Yalu. The Americans NEVER crossed the Yalu, what's with this warped view of history ?

PS. The Russians had 2 Air Regiments flying out of Chinese bases noerth of the Yalu. That's a major commitment. US planes were banned from fkying across the Yalu and attacking these bases. However they used to sneak across and shoot down mostly Chinese Mig-15's, they were easy meat.

If the "mighty" America is loosing a simple war on a guerrilla force in a country with no military, just think what would happen in China,

First of all, the Iraqi military fell in 3 weeks, the US is fighting terrorist politically correct and were tying to preserve the country as much has we can. If the U.S. wanted to crush the insurgents we could get real nasty and have no problem's, but that would not go down too well with international community.

China have the biggest tank force in the world, biggest navy, biggest army 5million troops and up. And they now have the biggest system of AA gun littered around the country.

Nope, Russia has biggest tank force, China currently has close to 100 Type 98’s and most of its tanks are ex-Soviet ones. Chinas army is more close to about 2 million because they have been reducing and modernizing it, U.S. has the biggest navy in the world.