How to Destroy America -Tiger Style

1. Go to the Cumbre Vieja volcano on La Palma in the Canary Islands off the West Coast of Africa.
2. Plant a large explosive device in a main seam of the volcano, agitating an massive eruption.
3. KA~BOOOOOOOOOM

You'll now see a landslide with half a trillion tonnes of rock crashing into the sea.
A landslide triggering a mega-tsunami, which has an initial wave height of 650 metres (2,130 feet) and moves out over the ocean at speeds up to 720 km/h (450 mph)
By the time such a wave crossed the Atlantic, its power would have diminished but it would still wreak havoc up to 20 kilometers (12 miles) inland

^_^ Pretty sweet!

try it at home kids~

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo

Originally posted by American Mad Man
I said basically the same thing - my point was, IF they were to back one side or the other, it would be the US.

Not really. I said CHina has nothing to gain if it helps the U.S.

Why would China help a nation that it would have to bow to? Sure, China will get money and will probably have an ally. But China is not a weak nation. It has it's own sense of identity and destiny (different from those of America). Therefore, it's almost insane to even guess they would help the U.S. It has nothing to gain (besides money and a military ally), and even that's not worth it. It'll derail China's goals.

And I said China would stay out of a NK situation. On top of that - I hope you know that discussions are ALREADY underway for China to deal with NK for the US if needed. It is well known that the US wants to let China handle NK, and we have already discussed situations with them to try to get them to deal with it. This is because we do not want to be "infringing" on Asian territory. It would be Chinas deal - however, if they refused to do it, then we would.

American Mad Man,

Interesting. However, I still think you cannot underestimate China's defensive capability. The U.S. only has so many Stealth combat aircraft, so to say it would dominated by them is an overstatement. Over 90% of the missions would be carried out by conventional aircraft, and they would be prey to China's extensive air defense system, which is one of the most concentrated in the world (forget Warsaw Pact, they don't have air defenses anymore). They also have good EW capability and the long distances required to fly would give more things to go wrong.

So U.S. aircraft would be at a huge disadvantage. A single mission would require tons of escort, which would then compete with other missions and further stretch the air power in the region. The two Gulf Wars had tons of sorties, most of which required little to no fighter escort, because the Iraqi Air Force put up almost no resistance and their air defenses were poorly set up. And U.S. fighters would be largely outnumbered, at least by a factor of 4-1. And that's a blessing, considering we would've been outnumbered by over twice that in a war with the Soviet Union.

So U.S. would get the beating here

I cant be bothered to read the whole thread so I'm going to reply directly to the first post.
a) Invading china would be stupid. They could easily draft in all 1-1.2 billion people. The military technology there isnt exactly stone age.
b) A country that large would require a fair bit of nuking to destroy, and I would be very surprised if the US decided to do the nuking, think about world opinion.
c) China is going to be the world Second-Largest-Economy by 2015, with Russia thought to be the largest by then (as stated by many financail experts). If they currently have enough money to put people in space, think about what they'll be able to afford in 10-ish years time.
d) Back to the space point, Russia put sputnik in space to demonstrate it had the capability to launch guided missiles.
e) China is one of the five countries allowed nuclear weapons. Do you really think they wouldnt retaliate?
f) China is communist, for all intents and purposes, Japan in World War 2 used every home as a bomb making or arms producing factory. Now convert that to China, potentially around, what, 600-million places which are producing weapons.
There is no need for food supply, as the land is plenty enough, all of the US electronics are, basically, supplied from China, so if that supply is cut then technology will have to wait a while for new factories to be built at high cost and high labour cost, thus making technology expensive...
Materials plenty in china, etc...

The US needs China to consider itself a world power, and this need will be increasingly strengthened in the future. If China invaded Taiwan, you would see little to no reaction from the US/UN because China has them wrapped around its finger.

Originally posted by mrsteve

Actually I think China really wants to put a base on the moon. Then they could just drop rocks on whoever they wanted.

No nation can put a base on the Moon. They are bound by the Moon Treaty. No nation or corperation can make claim to the moon.

As for dropping rockets on anyone they wanted: they don't need the moon to do that. Any nation with ICBMs can hit any target in the world.

Tell that to the NASA space plans!
Moon base by 2015, Mars manned missions stemming from the Moon base.
The Moon Treaty is that no one can CLAIM the moon as their terroritory.
Not that you cant build a base on it.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
American Mad Man,

Interesting. However, I still think you cannot underestimate China's defensive capability. The U.S. only has so many Stealth combat aircraft, so to say it would dominated by them is an overstatement. Over 90% of the missions would be carried out by conventional aircraft, and they would be prey to China's extensive air defense system, which is one of the most concentrated in the world (forget Warsaw Pact, they don't have air defenses anymore). They also have good EW capability and the long distances required to fly would give more things to go wrong.

So U.S. aircraft would be at a huge disadvantage. A single mission would require tons of escort, which would then compete with other missions and further stretch the air power in the region. The two Gulf Wars had tons of sorties, most of which required little to no fighter escort, because the Iraqi Air Force put up almost no resistance and their air defenses were poorly set up. And U.S. fighters would be largely outnumbered, at least by a factor of 4-1. And that's a blessing, considering we would've been outnumbered by over twice that in a war with the Soviet Union.

So U.S. would get the beating here

US would get the beating. HAHAHAHA.... you are very mistaken....

Well, if you are talking all out war, more (stealth aircraft) would be built. Also, like I said - stealth aircraft would be doing the initial strikes along with thousands of cruise missles. We would be sending in the B-1s, B-52's, and F/A-18's much later. Chinas AF most likely wouldn't be able to get off the ground after a week or two. You need airstrips to take off - airstrips are very easy to find with satalites. If you can see it, you can shoot it - so all their air fields would be gone. Then they can't get aircraft in the air, so that whole 4-1 odds thing is moot. Also, there pilots suck. Little training, airtime and experience. Also, airplanes require this little thing called fuel - US prevents fuel from getting in, thus planes cannot fly.

Just so you know - Iraq had one of the most extensive air defence networks in the world in GW 1, and they still didn't do crap. China uses the same soviet built stuff, so what makes you think they would fair any better - they have MUCH more land to defend, and unlike the Iraqi military, have almost no veterans in there military.

Like I have been saying - the airwar would go to the US, the ground war might be different.

look no one would win it would be the simple case of a draw america owns the sky while china controls the ground in vietnam type conditions
also i have to say i would seriosly doubt that no 1 would react to china invading taiwan the UN would stop it or NATO would get bored and just start on china
or america would go in with its allies and kick the **** outa chinas landing force

The best way how to defeat china will be simply setting a naval blockade and starve them to the death. The military support for some rebelions in Tibet and Uigur provinces would be also necessary. The next move will be attack on their huge water dams to flood the most important territories. Then destroy their infrastucture, economy, comunications. Wait a year maintaining a blocade. Then move in and seize the rest or you can simply go home - China is back in the stone age and not longer a threat.
HOPE something like this never happens.

The reason why Iraq's air defense was not a threat in Gulf War I was that they were INCOMPETENT, in large measure because the military system was run by political hacks who cared mostly about making sure there wasn't a coup against the dictatorial monster.

China's military is substantially more advanced, and they aren't a bunch of idiots.

The US would still get air superiority. But then what?

Attacking China's mainland is a lose-lose proposition for everybody.

Originally posted by longbow
The best way how to defeat china will be simply setting a naval blockade and starve them to the death.

You fool!
You ignorant fool!
Do you not realize that like 90% of Chinese population is farmers??
The country has more than enough open space to supply it's own, and other countries food.
They only import food because it is more financially viable to throw people into the technology production industries which can then be exported for more money than they spend on buying food!

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Also, there pilots suck. Little training, airtime and experience. Also, airplanes require this little thing called fuel - US prevents fuel from getting in, thus planes cannot fly.

you know that there is little training first hand?
I seem to remember China managed to put a man into space, that requires training.
China are currently producing (earlier threads about this) an aircraft which is relatively advanced, stealthy, etc, not too sure because I havent read into it much.
Experience? China manage to intercept nearly all US spy flights over the area. Heck they managed (accidently) force down a US spy plane. So much for no experience.
The only reason why Beiijing is holding the future olympics games was to secure the release of those prisoners held by China.. Believe it or not. It's fact, why do you think they were released when they were?

can i say this why would they go to war?
theres no reason and no advantage
also do u really think that america or china would be that dum as to start a war?
hey u know who is the worlds best ,largest economical country is ? japan !

Originally posted by devilwasp
can i say this why would they go to war?
theres no reason and no advantage
also do u really think that america or china would be that dum as to start a war?
hey u know who is the worlds best ,largest economical country is ? japan !

No, I think America needs China too much for it to start a war. Read my above post, look at the money they spend on buying stuff from China. As someone said, they can replace the source, but that too would take time and money. Financial influences at the top of the US government mean that America would not invade China because the financial cost to lots of companies would smash profits/income. Yay for corruption

Originally posted by mtsquad
BTW, all you poster cautioning on Chinese Dragon, Billions of people, etc. One question.....

...who has the Chinese dominated over the last 400 years?
Great Britian? Japan? North Vietnam? India? The huns? hmm?

Answer: NOBODY

Who has China tried to dominate over the last 400 years?

Answer: NOBODY.
China, (I'm 1/2 Chinese) is a very happy nation enjoying keeping to itself. The chinese word for China is, translated literally, Middle Kingdom. Maps of china dating 4000 years ago show China in the middle and the only things outside being barbarian hoards. There is no want/need in China to go around invading people. There is no honour in it, a concept I would not expect a Westener to understand..

Originally posted by browha
Who has China tried to dominate over the last 400 years?

Answer: NOBODY.

What about Taiwan?

That's right, they are just a rebellious republic that will soon be brought back into the fold.

You fool!
You ignorant fool!
Do you not realize that like 90% of Chinese population is farmers??
The country has more than enough open space to supply it's own, and other countries food.
They only import food because it is more financially viable to throw people into the technology production industries which can then be exported for more money than they spend on buying food!

More than 90% chinese have been farmers in the past - that didn't help them much. You should read something about the starvation in the past. Most of the African people are also farmers. The percentange of workers in agriculture has nothing to do with the food production ( especially if you are in war ). In USA only 2% people are farmers.
Also you should look at the chinese land map. Yes it's a big country. But how many areas are suitable for food production? There is a reason why there is only one child allowed.

Originally posted by COOL HAND

Originally posted by browha
Who has China tried to dominate over the last 400 years?

Answer: NOBODY.

What about Taiwan?

That's right, they are just a rebellious republic that will soon be brought back into the fold.

True, they are just a different governmental/political view of things and they moved over to Taiwan after being kicked off the Mainland by Mao