U.S. vs. China

no i wouldnt say major MOUT situation more like MAJOR INSANELY LARGE AND BAD MOUT situation. but thats just me speaking

the US genrals would think "ooooooooh crap this is gona be bad .brown trouser time lads."

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Expanding the topic a little, let's say the U.S. miraculously finds it's way into Beijing.

What kind of an urban war would we be talking about? I'm not too familiar with China's geography, so how big is Beijing in the first place? Compare it to a large city in the U.S. Is it the size of NYC, or more the size of Atlanta?

It seems like the ultimate MOUT scenario.

It would be a # storm that is for sure. The only chance the US would really have is to first level the city as much as they could, then go in with heavy armour. As Iraq has shown, light personel carriers don't work too well, so they'd need M1 abrams and Bradleys.

Then again, we are assuming that most people haven't fled the city - I believe this would likely happen if the US was bombing in the magnitude they would.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Expanding the topic a little, let's say the U.S. miraculously finds it's way into Beijing.

What kind of an urban war would we be talking about? I'm not too familiar with China's geography, so how big is Beijing in the first place? Compare it to a large city in the U.S. Is it the size of NYC, or more the size of Atlanta?

It seems like the ultimate MOUT scenario.

I'm not too sure about the actual geographic size of Beijing, but it does have a population of 12.2 million. So there might be cities in the US you could compare it to and get a rough idea.

Originally posted by devilwasp
oh really? well i know that U could get a couple f23's behind chinas lines and they wouldnt know about it. want to know how? every system has an achilies heel,a weakness every time they activate 1 they just give the enemy the postions of the radar site so u could call in strikes to take em out

also i seriosly doubt that china has sspecialist in every single control thingy so a good stealth squadron could and would sneak through if not SF would handle em

The Ukraine has sold China Kolchuha radar systems which can detect stealth aircraft while remaining undetected themselves.

Originally posted by D
I'm not too sure about the actual geographic size of Beijing, but it does have a population of 12.2 million. So there might be cities in the US you could compare it to and get a rough idea.

Wow. 12.2 million is quite a number.

I think we get a break with Beijing. It is certainly not Tokyo or Seoul, so the type of buildings are not an issue.

I mean, imagine MOUT in Seoul! One of the most ultra-modern metropolises in the world!

Originally posted by devilwasp
no i wouldnt say major MOUT situation more like MAJOR INSANELY LARGE AND BAD MOUT situation. but thats just me speaking

the US genrals would think "ooooooooh crap this is gona be bad .brown trouser time lads."

You can make a nice acronym! MILABMS, pronounced mIll-aa-bums!

Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by devilwasp
oh really? well i know that U could get a couple f23's behind chinas lines and they wouldnt know about it. want to know how? every system has an achilies heel,a weakness every time they activate 1 they just give the enemy the postions of the radar site so u could call in strikes to take em out

also i seriosly doubt that china has sspecialist in every single control thingy so a good stealth squadron could and would sneak through if not SF would handle em

The Ukraine has sold China Kolchuha radar systems which can detect stealth aircraft while remaining undetected themselves.

if thats so then whats the point in stealth aircraft the f23 hell even the f22 would be useless and im sure the yanks would of had this tech well before the ukranes

devilwasp,

Were you hypothesizing about the F-23s in combat? I mean, they have been scrapped, right?

no they werent scrapped they were shelved not scrapped cause the two prototypes still exist
it was a bad call by the USAF

Originally posted by devilwasp
no they werent scrapped they were shelved not scrapped cause the two prototypes still exist
it was a bad call by the USAF

they were scrapped and there are about 2 in af museum, f22 was chosen over f-23 so stop talking BS

Funny how the U.S. Air Force is ALWAYS a century ahead of everything else.

Kind of tells you something about the imbalance of our defense budget.

Originally posted by devilwasp
no i wouldnt say major MOUT situation more like MAJOR INSANELY LARGE AND BAD MOUT situation. but thats just me speaking

the US genrals would think "ooooooooh crap this is gona be bad .brown trouser time lads."

I don't think FIBUA is the US's strongest point.Just check out Iraq. When the British come under fire, they don't settle it with an AC-130. Some practice time in Londonderry may be needed.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Funny how the U.S. Air Force is ALWAYS a century ahead of everything else.

uh what?

Originally posted by Flanker

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Funny how the U.S. Air Force is ALWAYS a century ahead of everything else.

uh what?

You have no idea just how advanced the U.S. Air Force is, do you?

Originally posted by Flanker

Originally posted by devilwasp
no they werent scrapped they were shelved not scrapped cause the two prototypes still exist
it was a bad call by the USAF

they were scrapped and there are about 2 in af museum, f22 was chosen over f-23 so stop talking BS

there are 4 F-23's I believe, and yes, they will not be made.

Originally posted by Flanker

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Funny how the U.S. Air Force is ALWAYS a century ahead of everything else.

uh what?

If you are comparing tech level, I'd say that Russia is close. But Russia doesn't keep their air craft upgraded, so in actual use, yeah - USAF is ahead of everyone else

only cause u rule the skies JUST NOW mad man u just wait we'll be back with aircraft someday!

Russia dosent even need alot of Advanced aircraft to dominate the Sky. Their S-300PMU1/2 and S-400 SAMs can knock out ANYTHING.

First of all, The most advanced RAdar systems cannot detect the F22, I read back in another thread, cited from seekerof, that it that it would be to late to engage the F22 with any radar. That right there shows you who owns. Right now, it would't be Europe Vs. USA, it would be USA, and UK, vs. UK, one of the best navy, USA as airforce, and Ausii can join, so they have good navy. My uncles friend is a Recon, he tells me all the time when they go work out. I talk about the matters with him, not citting who or where it came from. So in theory, the USA would never lose to China.

One MAJOR misconception about stealth is that it means the aircraft is invisible to radar.

FACT: Nothing, and I mean nothing, is invisible to radar. If it's solid, it'll show. Stealth technology simply makes the radar signature smaller, to the point it's unnoticable or can be confused with something else.

For example, if an F-117 has the radar cross-section of a small car, then you may end up confusing it with an actualy small car. Then again, you probably wouldn't notice it.

However, the flip side is that this radar signature is so small that even if you detect it, it's probably too late.