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Whaooo, I'd love to hear more details of this heater. How much bigger is it, how many BTU's does it produce and how much HHO does it produce per
minute. How does your friend cater for the fluctuation of heat requirements? Please share more.
Thanks,
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reply posted on 8-2-2009 @ 05:49 AM by looofo
Why don't they sell the product instead of selling cheap paper and vids?
Because it doesn't work!
Electrolysis of water has been studied since 1800. Wiki
Ok, it doesn't need much energy to separate water in H and O, but as the efficiency of this process is only from 50% to 80%, at the end you have to put energy in it to make it work.
Because it doesn't work!
Electrolysis of water has been studied since 1800. Wiki
Ok, it doesn't need much energy to separate water in H and O, but as the efficiency of this process is only from 50% to 80%, at the end you have to put energy in it to make it work.
reply posted on 8-2-2009 @ 06:45 AM by Anonymous ATS
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This is a scam that uses school chemistry.
Think about it. You start off with water, use electricity to separate it into H and O, then burn the H in the O to make … water!
The only place the energy can come from is the electricity. No one makes heat this way because it’s way more efficient to convert electricity directly to heat by passing it thru a resistor.
There's no such thing as a free lunch.
This is a scam that uses school chemistry.
Think about it. You start off with water, use electricity to separate it into H and O, then burn the H in the O to make … water!
The only place the energy can come from is the electricity. No one makes heat this way because it’s way more efficient to convert electricity directly to heat by passing it thru a resistor.
There's no such thing as a free lunch.
reply posted on 8-2-2009 @ 09:19 AM by rickyrrr
reply to post by MajorDisaster
But..............
how much electricity does it take to separate the water into HHO? and how much BTU does it put out? and how exactly does this work out to be greater than pure electric heating without negating the second law of theromdynamics? Not saying that it can't be done, just saying that if it is done, then a controversy is up for discussion and clarification.
-rrr
But..............
how much electricity does it take to separate the water into HHO? and how much BTU does it put out? and how exactly does this work out to be greater than pure electric heating without negating the second law of theromdynamics? Not saying that it can't be done, just saying that if it is done, then a controversy is up for discussion and clarification.
-rrr
reply posted on 8-2-2009 @ 09:24 AM by rickyrrr
reply to post by MajorDisaster
I am sorry to say that I believe this is bunk.. The pattern for bunk energy devices is usually just like this: They don't sell the device, they sell the blueprints. Then if you try to build one and it does not work, you are not sure who to blame? blame yourself or blame the blueprints? Do you ever wonder why most products are not sold in blueprint form?
Meanwhile the person smart enough to know that a device like this is very unlikely to work would rather wait for somebody to sell a finished product rather than give venture capital to a new alternative energy startup or to buy blueprints and try to build it...
I still will have a close look at their website just to see how many of their claims they are ready to guarantee. But I bet that they will have a disclaimer that *your results may vary*
-rrr
I am sorry to say that I believe this is bunk.. The pattern for bunk energy devices is usually just like this: They don't sell the device, they sell the blueprints. Then if you try to build one and it does not work, you are not sure who to blame? blame yourself or blame the blueprints? Do you ever wonder why most products are not sold in blueprint form?
Meanwhile the person smart enough to know that a device like this is very unlikely to work would rather wait for somebody to sell a finished product rather than give venture capital to a new alternative energy startup or to buy blueprints and try to build it...
I still will have a close look at their website just to see how many of their claims they are ready to guarantee. But I bet that they will have a disclaimer that *your results may vary*
-rrr
reply posted on 8-2-2009 @ 10:20 AM by liesnomore
I did experiment with Hydrostar. I built the unit and tested. It does require a large amount of Amps with 2v. Basically- the voltage it is low.
Anything above 2V it is a wasting energy. The Amps count. It depend on a unit - it will draw 10-20A to produce sufficient amount of a gas. I try
different frequencies and voltages.Low voltage and high amps do the job. While a lot experiments was perform with plates - I use a cylinders. The
effect it is the some. It does appear that pulsating DC current lower the power consumption. While trying ad different pulsating frequencies (from 4Hz
to 45KHz) the 50-60Hz was the best for the amount of a gas output. Higher freq. did not produced more gas. Increase a amps did produce more gas. It is
all about the amount of a Amps you put in and it is inefficient. You are not getting a pure Hydrogen as the process is of mixing the gas called
parahydrogen. It is not as safe as they claim if build by inexperienced person. Some of the hydrogen kits do not contain a flame arrestor and that
could spell a trouble. Using a "bubler" lower the gas output. Proper design "flame arrestor" have to be in line with output.
There it is a lot more about to explain here and those people look to me as a another couple of a scam artists. If someone will design a efficient working unit - then that person will post the plans for free and charge for assembly unit. Ther are many hydrogen kits available all over the net.
At www.jestarkel.net... are free Hydrostar plans if you want to play with.
There it is a lot more about to explain here and those people look to me as a another couple of a scam artists. If someone will design a efficient working unit - then that person will post the plans for free and charge for assembly unit. Ther are many hydrogen kits available all over the net.
At www.jestarkel.net... are free Hydrostar plans if you want to play with.
reply posted on 8-2-2009 @ 10:41 AM by odyseusz
I remember the physics and chemistry lessons. To separate H2O to get O and 2H you have to put the same amount of energy which you get burning it to
join that atoms together. If it would work in different way it would be a perpetual motion machine because the water in the bottle and the product
of the machine as a gas is the same water. The energy which is heating in fact comes from your nearby power plant not from the water. Water has no
energy which you can poses in chemical reaction. So it is completely *SNIP*. This man invent something which is wasting energy not producing.
Heating houses by electricity it’s the most expensive form of heating. It would be no difference if you plug few ovens and heat your home instead
or you plug the machine to produce oxygen and hydrogen and then you burn it. It is basic science from elementary school.
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