'Free Energy' DIY Anyone?

Well my magnet wire arrived at last, so I'm ready to wind the coils, hook up the batteries and start the tests - wish me luck

My SSG is now up and running. I have the sweet spot and have taken a few measurements.

Tomorrow I will begin load testing. It'll take a week or two to run enough charge/discharge cycles, and then I'll post the results for discussion.

This post is really just to check if anyone is still following the thread. If so, please say 'Aye' or star this post. If not I'll probably start a new thread with a more catchy title like: 'Hey, my home made Free Energy machine has achieved Over-Unity'

[edit on 20/2/09 by RogerT]

Originally posted by RogerT
If not I'll probably start a new thread with a more catchy title like: 'Hey, my home made Free Energy machine has achieved Over-Unity'

[edit on 20/2/09 by RogerT]

That's actually a great idea, RogerT! And would generate loads of interest, I would think.

Can't wait to hear the results of your efforts

So Roger, did it work? Did you at least bring some lead acid betteries back to 80%? Was it free energy?

reply to post by XL5


Hi

I got a COP of around 1.3

In other words, the battery puts out about 30% more than the 'conventional' energy going into it, when measuring Joules In vs Joules Out using volts, time and amps.

The idea of the SSG is to demonstrate radiant energy, not to get a 'self runner' - that would be the advanced group. I have to submit my project for approval to the advanced group, but I got buried in some final house-building work which has kept me away from everything else until the end of next month at the earliest.

I'll update the thread when something changes.

Thanks for checking in

Just caught your thread Roger T.

Very informative and thanks to all the disinfo people out there not trying to burn this one. I'm putting together a small HHO unit together as we speak (letting my sealant dry right now).

Keep us informed. I'm now going to do some research into all the great links others have gave.

Definitely a S&F for you!

reply to post by geo1066


Thanks for checking in.

HHO is definitely on the cards for me too, or at least some form of electrolysis experimenting.

Are you using harmonics in any way or am I completely off base?

Roger, desulfating batteries is not free energy, yeah, the bendini device may use less energy to do it, but its not free unless you can loop it. You don't really need a "group" to tell you what to do. If the input of the device runs on 12V and the battery goes up to 13-14V, if theres no comon ground between the input of the circuit and the output, it should run on its own and the voltage should not fall.

If this "advanced" group doesn't want you talking about it or the results about it for your "protection", then its really a cult in some way. Its like those electronic rust protectors that only work on cars with no rust and perfect paint. If the paint is perfect, there is no rust anyway.

The circuit may use very little energy but its using chemistry/current to disolve the sulfur and this gains energy. If the battery was new (no sulfur) and fully charged I don't think it would add any energy. Using the sun to heat the batteries would also add free energy, but the melting point of the shell and lead will limit the amount of energy.

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No harmonics yet. I'm still in the basic '101course' but I would love to play with that as soon as my 'junk' inventory increases.
I did fire it up last night and it did produce a fair amount of HHO but not what I wanted to achieve. It was a quite simple rig actually-

Housing made from a 4" pvc tee (for volume) with rubber caps
Solution was 1 heaping tablespoon baking soda/1 gal distilled water
Reactive plates were 7 stainless steel tablespoons smashed flat
Power source was a 13.5vdc/4amp power regulator (battery charger)

I spaced the spoons 1/4" apart using smal bits of a wiper blade-lol-and glued them to the spoons using waterproof adhesive. I offset the handles abit to where there was 3 handles poking up through the top rubber cap on 1 side and 4 on the other. I had a small hole drilled through each handle and ran a peice of copper wire through each row and then added a little sodder to assure contact.I then melted a 1/4" barb fitting through this same cap and ran a piece of tubing over into the cap of another plastic water bottle filled with reg. h2o to act as a flashback protector. This line is submersed while I then ran another piece of tubing out of the cap,it's flush with the cap. everything got sealed on the housing to prevent leakage. I hooked the negative line of my power source to the side with 4 spoons so I would have a negative plate at both ends and the positive lead to the bank of 3 spoons. Turned on the power and voila,after 2 seconds a white cloud of HHo being produced. After about a minute I was able to smell amost an ionized smell (like after a thunderstorm) in the kitchen.-Not good- I'm now playing on the front porch!

My problems-

I want more production. I'm going to tear it down eventually and add more and larger plates. For now, I'm going to add a reostat to adjust my amp load and configure a crude volume measurer possibly made from a plastic cylinder, greased on the inside for a seal, with a styrofoam stopper able to slide inside it. I'd also have a line of small holes drilled into the side of the cylinder spaced about 1/2" apart to allow the gases to escape. I.E.-the more volume produced the more outlets needed.

DISCLAIMER(for the flamethrowers)-

This is a very basic set-up. I'm doing this strictly for educating myself and entertainment. Very easy and rewarding.

Originally posted by RogerT

My personal opinion is that any technology that finds its way to the patent office is either going to be buried if it actually works and is easily interpreted and recreated, or it won't be duplicatable for one reason or the other.

[edit on 7/2/09 by RogerT]

I think your Spot on with your opinion Roger and I refer to Albert Einstein:
Source:

During his stay at the Patent Office, and in his spare time, he produced much of his remarkable work and in 1908

And I think this man was a Conman and a Thief!
I strongly believe that.

I'm venturing your way my self but it's for me,not save the planet stuff here just get by on my own with out interference.The problem I'm still waiting on here in Australia is,can I connect to the grid and make a buck $$ not yet only give credits.

Zelong.

Originally posted by XL5
Roger, desulfating batteries is not free energy,

I used brand new batteries - there may have been a little sulphation from storage, but I doubt much.

Anyway, the 30% over has remained constant.

Not sure how much research you've done on the SSG and other Bedini motor setups, but your comments are pretty standard objections/suggestions (no offense meant).

I was originally under the mis-understanding that the SSG goes over unity or can be looped, but as you progress with the build and check in with the group, it is explained quite clearly that this is not the group's purpose and why the SSG cannot be looped.

There are other circuits that can be, and I understand that Rick Friedrick who runs the group has a self-runner.

I understand the purpose of the first group is to weed out the tyre kickers and find the one's who are at least committed enough to build the damn thing before critisizing it

Once I get a bit further into it, I'll be happy to explain things more in depth, but for now, my own understanding is very limited and I wouldn't want to do Bedini or the group the disservice of making faulty arguments on their behalf.

best
R

reply to post by geo1066


I applaud you whole-heartedly and absolutely love the way you've slapped old bits together from junk.

I have a personal belief that a 'free energy device' that will help to alter the balance of 'power' (pun intended) globally, will be one that can be built at home out of junk and perhaps a few specialised but cheap electronics parts.

There will be no patents needed or wanted, and no multi-million R&D or manufacturing plants.

That's my dream anyway

Originally posted by Zelong
I'm venturing your way my self but it's for me,not save the planet stuff here just get by on my own with out interference.The problem I'm still waiting on here in Australia is,can I connect to the grid and make a buck $$ not yet only give credits.

Well I think if you do manage to crack it for yourself, your neighbours will be interested, then their neighbours and pretty soon, you will have made a significant impact on a planetary level, whether you like it or not

The only way you can prevent this is to go the 'this is mine and I want a big payout so patent office here I come and I'll keep it all secret till then' route, which seems doomed to dismal failure so far in this arena.

I know my reply may seem standard like the ones who always say" oh there are laws blah blah", but when you compleatly see the logic you may understand. Its like this group is telling the amish people that 115Vac to the temples of the head is safe, the reason it works is that dead men tell no tales. If we can not kick the tires, there must be something wrong. Some "new" batteries have sat for a long time without a float charger on the and fall below 11.5V and get some sulfur on the plates. So that may explain it.

Any circuit that charges new lead acid batteries will seem like free energy if you do the calculations. Batteries store a charge, you can not measure a battery properly unless you do a proper 20hour discharge on a fully charged battery and find its "current" amp/hour rating. Then, charge it using whatever method, then discharging it for 20 hours and see if it stores more. If batteries were like a tank of water or even a capacitor, it would be alot easier to see/measure the amount of energy in them.
You can not tell how much energy is in a lead acid battery by voltage alone!!! They didn't ever teach anyone about how to read the amount of energy in batteries in highschool or college, I had to experiment.

If its free energy, it can be looped, ALWAYS. Just like an amplifier can always have feedback and always oscillate, not because I was taught to be a zombie, but because I understand how things work through experimenting.

reply to post by RogerT


Excellent job, Roger. And a most appropriate attitude. You'll do well. And the more you do, the more you'll understand.

I'll bet you've learned a few things already.

reply to post by XL5



Well either you are not really listening or you just don't want to hear what is being explained to you.

You have made several assumptions about my experimenting and results without knowing what I did, most probably because I did not explain it correctly/sufficiently.

Sorry, but most of your post is kind of irrelevant and misses the point.

I could make an effort and lay out some more info and explanations for you, but is it really worth my effort?

I think your posts clarify why the Bedini Monopole groups insist on a successful completion of the SSG motor before you get to really start conversing with those that have put the effort and time into the self-runners and solid state devices.

Here's the link to the beginners group, there are several thousand posts there and many will answer your objections and give you some food for thought.

tech.groups.yahoo.com...

Best
R


edit to add: Re-reading this post it appears way harsher than it was meant. Apologies. I am so busy I simply don't have the time to engage in explaining the SSG basics further than I already alluded. If I can free a bit of time later tonight, I'll come back and add another post as I would be interested in chatting over this stuff with you. Would be great if you could do a bit of research yourself in the meantime, as you would no doubt have more knowledge than me after scanning the monopole group posts for a while. R

[edit on 31/3/09 by RogerT]

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Considering I was starting from 'zero point' I've come a long way

To be honest though, I'm still extremely green, but have at least proved to myself that a total newb can build something of interest and value from a few pages of instructions.

If I can do it, most people here on ATS science section should have no problems.

Well, I don't know what to say Roger. I mean, if I did think it was true free energy, I would still have a beef with there being an "elite" group that forces you to learn it their way in a basics level. They could just lay out the plans and help you when you get stuck.

If it were something like tritium powered solar cell, I would see how you can not loop it as theres no electronic component that powers the tritium. In this case, its volts/amps Vs. volts/amps, it should loop. I my self wouldn't be happy if I couldn't get free energy out of a free energy device.

reply to post by RogerT


RogerT, I just want to say that the initiative and leadership you are showing here is absolutely fantastic. I've been wanting to see ATS members move from mere speculative discussion of FE to actual field work for quite a while now.

Mad props to you for starting this and I hope a lot more folks will follow in your footsteps

Originally posted by XL5
Well, I don't know what to say Roger. I mean, if I did think it was true free energy, I would still have a beef with there being an "elite" group that forces you to learn it their way in a basics level. They could just lay out the plans and help you when you get stuck.

That's how our education system works. The basic SSG, from what I understand, is meant to be akin to "Bedini 101." There is a yahoogroup set up for that, and once you demonstrate a basic understanding, you "graduate" to the second group, where you work on more advanced concepts (which build on the material in the first group), in a separate yahoogroup. From what I can tell, there are at least three groups.

This model seems to have had overwhelming success, judging by the number of people who have replicated the Bedini motors (which appear to be, at a minimum, very efficient electric motors).

I'm pretty sure that the plans for the more advanced motors are available on the web, if you want to just skip ahead to the more advanced motors. Bedini's website has a few of them right here..

I'm not an active Bedini experimenter, so if I'm mistaken, somebody correct me.

I think that you misunderstood what these groups are about, XL5.