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'Free Energy' DIY Anyone?

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posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 06:19 AM
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A couple other things: I'm watching the video found here:

video.google.com...

The sharp spikes that the guy in the video mentions are called 'transients' and aren't a source of free energy. They are a consequence of the circuit changing state, for example, when a switch is opened/closed. The voltages and currents in the circuit do not instantly change, but take a finite amount of time to do so. This is why the spikes are seen.

I'm going to keep watching and see what else this guy says about the circuit. I'm still trying to figure out just what the role that the rotor and magnets are supposed to be playing here; as far as I can see, they aren't helping at all, but that the batteries are just spinning a wheel on a rotor. If anything, the circuit's efficiency should increase if the rotor were removed.




posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by DragonsDemesne
Looking at that circuit, I couldn't see how it would be producing overunity energy. So... I did some research on the internet, and whipped out one of my textbooks, and here are some comments...


From rpmgt.org...

The efficiency of the circuit and motor is not the same as the COP. The efficiency is less than 100% while the COP is greater than 1. The energy transfered for work by the primary battery has an efficiency of less than 100% as there are losses mentioned.




Thanks so much for taking the time to check this out. I have some comments about your comments.

First of all, I have stated several times in the thread that the motor is not over-unity. The bearings are horribly inefficient and obviously some energy is lost in the circuit in heat etc.

However, that is not the point of the SSG, to get a motor that puts out more energy than it uses. The point of the experiment is to show that a collapsing coil is a way to access energy from the vaccuum (at least that is how I understand it)

We are only concerned with the output of the circuit and the form it takes, not the input/output ratio, efficiency or anything else.



COP can be greater than 1, but that doesn't mean that free energy is being created/generated. According to that website, which I realize isn't Bedini's, but is based on his work, the efficiency is less than 100%, which means that there is no free/radiant energy being produced.


I don't see the logic there - if the efficiency is less than 100% there is no radiant energy being tapped? How is that accurate? Perhaps the energy losses in my inefficient setup are greater than the radiant or free energy I am accessing? One doesn't negate the other.


When you are charging the battery, it is, by your numbers, charging slower than it discharges. Now, you do not have any way of knowing, based on the data given (that I can see, anyway) of when the charging battery is actually fully charged. You don't have any data about how many joules of energy are actually contained in each battery. What I think is happening is that the succession of experiments has simply moved energy from the primary battery into the charging battery without creating/generating/gathering 'radiant energy'.


Well yes, that could be possible if you ran 2 or 3 cycles and only used a small portion of the battery capacity, but charging and discharging nearly 20 times (others have done many hundreds), and still getting a consistent 30% 'extra' out, is not possible under your scenario above. By the way, I used a small mains DC input, not another battery. Again, in this experiment we are only interested in the charging battery. So many joules in, so many joules out, over and over again, using the voltage of the battery as the 'mark' to charge and discharge to.

If it was simply a matter of the battery holding a little extra charge, or the voltage not giving a fully accurate level in and out, then after 3 or 4 cycles of taking out 30% more than we are putting in, the battery would be flat dead, no?



Now, everything I have said here does not prove or disprove radiant energy. It strongly hints (in my mind, anyway) that there is no 'radiant' energy coming from somewhere, but it doesn't prove it either way, for the very reason that we don't know the total amount of energy in the batteries. What it does say is that there are more things to measure/calculate before we can say for sure whether free energy is being produced or not.


OK, from my responses I'm sure you can see I don't get the same hint.

I am open to this being something completely different, perhaps some conversion of the input DC energy into the spikes by some anomaly of the circuit, rather than a mysterious energy from nature, but then again, given the other anomalies that are associated with the 'tapping' of this energy, the hint I get is that it is indeed something from nature.

edit to add: rmpt is Rick Friedrich's site I think, so that's about as close to Bedini as you can get. Yes, that's the right video to watch to get a full view of the SSG. Other than that, you can watch any of the EFTV series with Bedini and Bearden, they are usually available on the torrent sites.

[edit on 3/7/09 by RogerT]



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 03:05 PM
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I look forward to hearing your comments once you get done with the vid.

I still recommend you build one for yourself



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 04:06 PM
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The rotating wheel has magnets on it.
The wheel is place over the top of the transformer.
The interactions of the moving magnets with the coil causes voltage spikes in the circuit which causes the charging.

Its interesting the way the charging battery is wired that it has 12V either side so very little voltage difference across it and so hardly any current flows.

The voltage spike voltage and current doesn't seem to be measured.
The amount of energy used to turn the wheel initially doesn't seem to be measured.

The whole circuit is basically a switched mode power supply.

I don't know why the rotating wheel isn't replaced with a capacitor setup to create the oscillation.

I think it would be cool to replace the DC power source with a wind turbine or solar photo voltaic cells.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 05:00 PM
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Please remember the SSG is the most basic and 'simple' experiment, designed to give the layman first hand experience of something 'interesting'

Many people are now working on tweaks using caps, PV's etc, including Bedini himself, as far as I am aware.

I wish I had 1% of the knowlege and experience of some of the posters here at ATS, so I could apply it to tweaking. Ah well, maybe next year



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 05:18 PM
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How long before you can write up your experiment and join the advanced group? or are you too busy with work until later in the year?



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 06:09 PM
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will be super busy till end of september. I can write up before then, but don't see the point of joining the group if I am not ready to do anything. I'm sure the last thing they want is tyre kickers.



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 06:55 PM
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This thread has got to big already for me to read through all the posts and check if somebody ellse hasnt already posted what I'm about to say, suppose thats a bit of problem with this forum these days! Anyway if I was lucky enough to be in your situation firstly I would look at cutting down the amount of power you need to consume, if I'm not mistaken you said you were looking at 20kw which depending on the time span seems like alot of electrickery!! Either way look into methods of consuming less energy as much as possible even with suposedly free energy systems I would consider this worthwile!

I think one answer and a good one at that is designing the circiutry to store small amouts of electrical energy so that they can be used to produce larger amounts of energy over a given time, using transformers and large capacictors and battery groupings could make a series of small wind turbines and solar power systems deliver some decent watts on demand which would be very efficent. also you could wire up an exercise bike to power most house hold appliances, you can even stick a coin and nail into a lemon and create a tiny electrical charge (no kidding look it up) the key is taking this small amount of energy produced by various things and storing it up to create useable amounts of energy on demand and at the same time reducing your enery needs if you want to go completely off grid, i.e a modern phone does uses far less energy than a slightly older computer yet does much the same thing. Theres loads of info out there to help you out as im sure you must be well aware, but I think the real key to being energy self reliant would require a whole variety of alternative measures plus less demand, reducing your needs afap. Check out sterling engines if you haven't yet come across these beautys and underground thermo heating systems, I think a combinantion of these two is a very real free source of energy to tap aswell as other possibilities.

[edit on 3-7-2009 by surfer_soul]



posted on Jul, 3 2009 @ 07:09 PM
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Forgot to add but how long have people survived without electricty and oil to burn? The odd thing is the majority of us can get by with 90 percent of what we currently consume!



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:15 AM
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Hello Roger,

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posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 09:27 AM
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Wow, nice find Svarstaad!

Looks like they're still building the site so there's no information about motor-generators or anything like that yet, but once it's complete you should do your own thread on this!



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 11:38 AM
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Greetings:

Just a note about my experiences with "magnet motors."

A "magnet motor" is a non sequitur. A "motor" produces usable output mechanical power. A shaft producing torque.

Magnets can be, and are being, configured to produce "SPIN." Spin is not the production of usable mechanical output power.

If you couple the magnet-caused-to-spin rotor in such a way so as to attempt to produce mechanical or electrical power that is connected to a LOAD, the spinning rotor will instantly STOP.

Marko Rodin may have come up with an exception.

If you look carefully and closely at all so-called "magnetic motors," you will ascertain that NONE of them are connected to any kind of a LOAD, while they are being demonstrated.

A "load" can either be a generator, or some kind of mechanical transmission.

I built a hybrid magnet powered machine in 2005-2006, that did in fact produce a usable torque to sustain a small load. Of course, in my ignorance, it was not properly configured for maximum results, the angels did NOT sing on the first attempt, and the opportunity vaporized. The HMEG. HyperMagnetic Engine Generator.

The best way to capture as close to 100% of the forces of a magnet, is to have them repel and attract a piston in a linear motion.

Vector physics, inevitably used for "magnet motor" configurations, will NEVER allow the production of useful work energy from magnets alone.

Think about a vector like this: Extent your hand out from your side, palm forward. Try to push something only with the motion of your arm to move your hand forward. You can exert very little power in this configuration.

The above config is a radial vector. This is how standard electric motors and generators are configured.


Now, put your hand in front of your chest, palm forward. Push something. You can exert MUCH more power and force.

This motion/power config is a linear vector.

The HMEG used linear vector to harvest much more efficiency from magnets.

I learned this from my experience working with Jerry Howard, Augusta, Georgia, inventor of the Hypertron. Patented ~ 1976. Jerry died a few years ago.

My config, the HMEG almost got there. But, that technology, doesn't hold a candle to the energy in the AIR, which can be used to keep a compressed air storage tank full, without operation of an engine powered, electric motor powered, compressor pump.

Regards,

Svarstaad
www.nrgnair.com

Not selling anything. Giving it all away.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 02:27 PM
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thanks, I am watching the video now and will take a good look at the info a bit later.

Do you have your own working model?

edit to add: I got excited when I heard the word 'implosion' in the video. It seems nature has a fondness for this kind of energy generation. I really must finish reading my Schauberger book.

[edit on 5/7/09 by RogerT]



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 03:28 PM
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I thought that the spining motion of the said 'magnetic motors' could be used to generate electricty without the need to apply a load, woud'nt fixing a coil above the rotor produce a voltage in the coil (emf) as the rotor consists of moving magnets anyway? Or am I wrong about this? I realise any electricity produced by such devices would be minimal to say the least but given that they can run for very long periods of time cound'nt this electricity be stored through circuitry into a battery to give as usable amount of energy eventually?
I would appreicate your opinion as you clearly know your stuff!
Also I had a look at your compressor and Im having a hard time getting my head around it at the moment, proberly seems straight forward to you but I hardly know anything about compressed air systems! The fact you are giving away all your knowledge freely though is fantastic!



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 04:52 PM
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OK, I've had a cursory look through and it looks very exciting at first glance.

My first quesiton is a skeptics question though: does anyone have a working model, and if not, why not?

As a hobbyist, I wonder how I would go about getting one compressed air tank inserted into another? Aren't we talking expert/high level manufacturing for this sort of thing?

Do you have any more detailed 'build it' plans?

Time for bed now, will be looking more into this later, thanks again.

Best
R



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 11:28 PM
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Okay, I think I finally understand where you're coming from. (or rather, I suppose, where Bedini is coming from) I thought that Bedini at least was claiming that the SSG was overunity, but apparently I was mistaken.


If it was simply a matter of the battery holding a little extra charge, or the voltage not giving a fully accurate level in and out, then after 3 or 4 cycles of taking out 30% more than we are putting in, the battery would be flat dead, no?


Yeah, but I thought the batteries were being rotated, so that the batteries dying would take more trials than just 3 or 4. That's why I've been asking lots of questions about how things are being done in this setup, to get a clearer picture of what's happening and how it's built.

Lightchild:

The rotating wheel has magnets on it.
The wheel is place over the top of the transformer.
The interactions of the moving magnets with the coil causes voltage spikes in the circuit which causes the charging.


That's actually one of the key concepts I was missing earlier. It explains why there is a wheel in the first place, and explains where the SSG is, according to Bedini, getting energy from. I think I have enough knowledge from the discussion with you and Rick's video that I could construct this thing now. I don't have car batteries around (or even a car!) but the concept should apply to simple 9V batteries. I've got transistors, diodes, resistors, potentiometers, and all of that sort of junk (maybe not those exact models, but that shouldn't be important). Then, building the wheel should be straightforward, and winding those coils should be, too; I might try using a regular transformer first just so I don't have to do that :p

Hopefully I can set everything up that is necessary. I'll let you guys know if I actually make it, since I am rather lazy, but this does interest me, and I am curious whether I would get the same results and if I could figure out why.



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 02:52 AM
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Cool, will look forward to your results



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 04:05 AM
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I haven't read all these posts. But i do have a suggestion for you to try out.

What abut using magnets and a El motor to produce your EL power. Where you can use the magnetic force to run a El. Motor which produce a El.current?

This is how you can do it:

Get a round plate of some size in carbon fiber. Mount it on the shaft of the El. motor. Then you mount magnets all around the edges of carbon fiber plate. Note: with the same poles pointing out or in the same direction.
Then you mount magnets on a shaft with the same pole as to the once on the round carbon fiber plate. You have to use this shaft as a leaver to adjust the magnetic force that will turn the carbon fiber plate. Meaning you have to use this leaver to adjust the speed so that the motor dont produce more or less power then what is needed.

I have tested this on a very small scale with a light bulb. And it works.

To the EL. Motor you connect your wires to a fuse box that you use to divide the power around your house.



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 07:16 AM
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Thanks for the contribution to the thread.

I had sort of given up on 'magnet motors' as it seems to be the most obvious direction to go in, yet I've yet to see a working model producing any useable power. I have, however, seen lots of fakes, hoaxes, inflated egos and cries for investment funding based on theories.

If you have a working model, even at a small scale, then you are way ahead of the pack. Can you post plans or a video?

Best
R



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