I've just completed building my dream home here in Europe, took me nearly 3 years.

I've set up an independent water supply for the house, now I just need to get off the electric grid.

Originally I considered solar roof tiles, but the tech at the time was just too expensive, plus the cost and maintenance of storing the energy just didn't seem worth the effort.

I am convinced there is an elegant solution out there, and I now have the time and a little money to pursue the idea.

I'd like to create an independent 20kW supply with minimum maintenance, from basic, locally available materials if possible.

I've been following a few of the 'free energy' ideas, and almost got started on my own Bedini motor, but for some reason after joining the yahoo group and collecting a few of the required parts, can't find the enthusiasm to launch myself at it.

My personal opinion is that any technology that finds its way to the patent office is either going to be buried if it actually works and is easily interpreted and recreated, or it won't be duplicatable for one reason or the other.

I firmly believe the 'free energy for the masses' conundrum will be cracked in the garages and basements of hobbyists, who aren't out to patent their tech and either make a fortune or become famous.

If anyone out there is either working on a compelling idea, or has cracked it, I'd love to get a discussion/working group going about your solutions.

For the naysayers, please, I've read a lot of the 'free energy' threads and humbly ask that you don't bother posting in this one.

I really do not want to launch yet another semantic discussion about what is and isn't considered to be free energy, closed and open systems, or the laws of thermodynamics.

I request to keep the thread as a practical discussion on people's personal efforts to build working models and machines, not a theoretical discussion about the history and current state of 'free energy' research and development.



[edit on 7/2/09 by RogerT]

You should look into a salt water burner. It could be retro-fitted to burn salt water within a conbustion chamber creating electricity. The schematics should be out there.

Other than that, if you have an independant water system, why not just use a water wheel or some form of water for energy device.


Good luck!


~Keeper

I'd reconsider solar, the panels are getting cheaper all the time. I do not know where in europe you are, but if you're in a region with enough exposure it will probably become cost effective very soon. All that you need to setup is a lot of panels, some sort of battery array (auto industry lead acid batteries would work in enough number) and, as a backup some sort of liquid fuel or gas generator (biodiesel or ethanol could work).

With time you can supplement the setup with wind generators. I have a feeling wind is not being optimally used, because with a redesign to work at high speeds wind generators would provide a lot of power for a home battery setup, possibly generating in a few hours enough electricity for a couple of days. For this some sort of turbine type blades would have to be used, with two fixture points so the whole thing could go to much higher RPM's. Big slow blades don't make much sense to me, we have them here and a lot of the time they're on brakes due to too much wind, which I find retarded.

Be creative and stick it to the man, I say. In the midterm I hope to follow in your footsteps, with some sort of solar-wind-battery-backup generator setup, which I hope will be enough for house and transport.

Cheers.

I have researhed very very thoroughly into overunity and perpetual motion for a paper I wrote. Its impossible to get something from nothing. The laws of thermodynamics prohibit it, and they're the most proven ideas of science. Use solar power to knock of some of the cost, but if you want a long term solution I suggest getting a radiactive powerhouse. They resently came out with miny ones that can power a block for years and years.It will be pricy though. Sorry I don't have a link, but google will proby turn up some answers.

Originally posted by houdanny
I have researhed very very thoroughly into overunity and perpetual motion for a paper I wrote. Its impossible to get something from nothing. The laws of thermodynamics prohibit it, and they're the most proven ideas of science.

Actually there is a lot of support in mainstream physics for the "quantum vacuum energy", or radiant energy, or whatever you want to call it. If you had really researched the subject thoroughly for your paper, you would know that

If you are serious about getting off the grid, contact Energenx. They have the stuff, and do not assume this is like anything you've ever seen before. It is like nothing you've ever seen before.

Tell them what you want to do, and they have your solution.

Don't assume I don't know about radiant energy. Radiant energy, unlike what you seem to think, is potentail energy in the quantam form. Its non renewable too. Think about coal. This radiant energy is like quantam coal, and any net gain would technically be a transerence, just like burning coal to move a train. It takes energy to extract the zero point energy, so you are indeed spending energy to get energy. In no way is this free energy. I repeat, you can't get something from nothing.

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Thanks to all the posts so far, with of course the exception of houdanny who has ignored my request to resist the temptation to post the same old 'you can't get something for nothing' drivvel. Congrats, you made my ignore list 50% bigger!

I do hope other posters don't get drawn into a theoretical debate by the naysayers, there are plenty of open threads on ATS for that.

I will request once again, this thread is intended for practical discussion for those either engaged in the DIY free energy, or wishing to contribute to it.

I'll answer questions in more detail, just a quick reply now as it's way late here:

I'm not in Germany, a couple of countries further south

I collect rainwater, I don't have access to a stream or river.

Wind is certainly an option and one I am intending to explore.

The thing that most put me off the solar and wind a while back is the need to use large banks of lead acid accumulators or similar for storage, which are expensive and don't seem to last long.

One of the appeals of Bedini motors was the idea of increasing life and performance of lead acid batteries and even recovering capacity in 'dead' batteries, or at least those that are sulphated, so this did rekindle my interest in the battery idea for storage.

From Bedini's videos, it appears that a large bank of batteries on the output of his 'energizers' to catch the radiant energy, using solar and wind as the input to trigger the coils, would be a good way to go.

However, when I signed up with the yahoo group and started down the path to building my first SSG motor, I just felt something was missing.

Not sure if it is a sense that something is not right with the claims, or they are keeping the good info private for now, or just my own laziness.

Would love to hear from anyone whose built an SSG and then moved on to the advanced groups, and what is going on there, before I put my energy, time and money into the first steps.

Would love to hear from FurnaceMan if you are still around, and if you got any further with the Puhairic (spelling) stuff.

ciao for now

Perhaps I'll just get started on the SSG anyhow.

Now, how to go about getting those electronic bits locally ... you guys in the US don't know how good you have it with a radio shack on every street corner