What is with all the "Christianity-Debunking" attempt threads?, page 4
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reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 04:30 PM by tothetenthpower
IMO there are more anti-christian threads than others because christians above all other religions seem to enjoy pointing out who are sinners and make it they're job to attempt to "save" us from ourselves.

The truth is, people don't want to change. Whether your religious or not (and i'm not, i preach the gospel of I don't know) people are comfortable in they're own state of mind. And when something that can't be verifiably proven, other than in faith terms, comes along and tells them they're going to hell for doing what they're doing, do you not see how this could lead to resentment?

Christians need to learn to keep they're religion to themselves. You don't see Bhudists screaming about gay rights and the sanctity of marriage do you? They're not telling everybody who doesn't meditate that they're evil and will burn for an eternity?

This is in no way an attack on "christianity" as a religion, but the interpretation of some people as to what this religion gives you the right to do and not do.

I think religious texts are a way of promoting certain values and ideas that by themselves pose no real threat to humanity. It only becomes a problem when some attempt to interpret the bible for they're own personnal gain and start to tell people that they're way is better than any other.

Religion should be something that is celebrated with other members of your faith in whatever manner desired, but it should not infringe on the people's right to believe whatever they want, and do whatever they want (within the confines of the law) without the need to be chastised by a whole sect of society.

~Keeper


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 04:30 PM by justamomma
Originally posted by KOGDOG
reply to
post by justamomma



Uhm.. I am jewish.
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Then how is it that you did not understand the "lesson"?


I do understand the anti lesson perfectly. Why did he not do that with the Jewish people who had demons or were afflicted. Are you saying that G.d loves the Jewish more than He does those who are NOT Jewish?

The Jewish covanent is a position of responsibility... NOT rights to be treated more special over other men because of their bloodline!

Edited to add: WHY DID *she* have to be such a harsh example of faith when she obviously had faith from the beginning?

You think Jesus won't act this way to you all if he were to come back?

[edit on 7-2-2009 by justamomma]


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 04:35 PM by BO XIAN
reply to post by justamomma



I'm more or less comfortable with folks voicing their beliefs.

lop sided moderating really annoys me.

I'm glad you believe the HEBREW Scriptures.

I suspect you've never reconciled the Messiah as

1. Suffering Servant

AND

2. Conquering King.


Nor have you explained why The Name and Blood of Jesus halt UFO abductions but the name Moses does not.

But that's an aside.

For Christians, Christ IS TRUTH--THE TRUTH ALL the Old Testament prophets pointed to.

And, as I understand it . . . interestingly, increasing numbers of Rabbis are secretly agreeing.

In any case . . . in answer to the OP, Christianity is MOSTLY BASHED

because satan doesn't waste much time on bashing UNTRUTHS.


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 04:37 PM by BO XIAN
reply to post by sotp



Certainly for the first of my years hereon,

the CHRISTIAN BASHING threads had to outnumber any that were pro-Christian by quite an order of magnitude.

Certainly the ANTI-CHRISTIAN POSTS were far more than the pro-Christian posts.

and, I think that is STILL the case. Which is certainly due to demographics as much as anything--the demographics of ATS.


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 04:37 PM by TheRealDonPedros
reply to post by sheepchronicles



Great post.

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"Much faith would be lost in this medium if bannered across the top was the issues that are utterly exempt from debate. "

Sadly such is the case at this site in regards to psychedelic entheogen discussions. Hopefully they "Allow Ignorance" only on that topic because if they started banning religious discussions then I would be more suspect than I already am about the motives of the site operators.

Again, great post.

Peace


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 04:40 PM by BO XIAN
reply to post by Basilis



NO!

I'm NOT confusing debate with hate.

The lop-sidedness in my earlier years and sometimes still was horrendous.

BRAZENLY HORRENDOUS.

And getting it corrected was virtually impossible.

Usually, we just didn't bother or gave up quickly.

I haven't even paid that much attention recently as it was too annoying to disturbing that such a fine site would allow such lopsidedness.

And, the powers that be would always understandably assert that they were at the mercy of volunteer moderators and that getting all the moderators on the same page was not easy etc. etc. etc.

And one atheist/agnostic supermoderator, IIRC, noted rather candidly that the vast majority of the mods were atheists/agnostics.

Soneone else later challenged that assertion but I trust the first mod's candor a lot more--certainly fits more with what I've observed.



reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 04:45 PM by rickyrrr
reply to post by SumnerKagan



I think the sentiment is generally anti religious and the bias with christianity is merely explained by the fact that large numbers of ATS members are from western societies with large number of christians. Finally, christians are among the groups of religions that actually have it as part of their objectives to reach out to as many people as possible. It is not christian to just mind your own business, you have to evangelize to everyone, some of the backlash may be a response to that.

as far as all other inappropriate rudeness and hatred, towards all kinds of groups, it is common here on ATS and rampant anywhere else where there are no mods. However, religious groups are the only ones who claim a special status where those offenses are supposed to be taken somehow more seriously when they are towards their beliefs.

Lack of civility is just as bad when directed towards a member of a religious group or when directed towards a person who believes the extraterrestrial hypothesis don't you think?

-rrr

-rrr


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 04:47 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by SumnerKagan



Honestly, I don't want to be a basher here. But WHAT has christianity done for humanity? Really? I'd like an answer, and it cannot involve any Christian Children's fund and BS charities that exist with far more non-christians than christians.

I'm just curious, I keep hearing that this religion has done good in the world, i'd just like to know what it is.

~Keeper


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 04:53 PM by thehumbleone
reply to post by justamomma



Justamomma, you continue to complain about this despite the fact that there are many other instances in the bible where Jesus helped gentiles.

You select this one passage to make him seem bad. What about all the other examples where he showed his goodness to gentiles and all other people?

Your Jewish identity is obvious through the way you spell "G.d." So I ask you as a person who follows the old testament as I do; What do you think about Moses' character? Is he not guilty of murder? Yet people of the Jewish faith would not call this man evil. No, in fact he is considered one of the greatest prophets in the history of the Jewish people.

So by the Jewish law, who is guilty of a worse sin? Moses the murderer, or Jesus?

What crime can you convict him of? What sin has he committed? Other than the fact that the Jewish people do not yet believe that God himself came to visit them 2000 years ago. The whole reason why he was crucified.

[edit on 2/7/2009 by thehumbleone]


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 04:57 PM by Solomons
reply to post by tothetenthpower



Absolutely nothing,people have done good not religion.And if a person does good deeds with charity work etc because they think it reserves them a place in heaven they are completely morally corrupt and are working for their own interests,not to help mankind.


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 05:40 PM by moocowman
reply to post by justamomma





I perceive you to be someone who likes to use religion to control others, no?

I was under the impression that, that was what religion was designed for.
By the way why do you still insist on dropping the O out of the word god,? we all know there's an O in the word god, so it seems a pointless thing to do.


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 05:42 PM by GeeGee
Originally posted by SumnerKagan
Before I begin tearing holes in posters and their posts, I thought I would ask this question of the site members.

Why is it happening, and why is it ok?


Why is it not okay? Is Christianity somehow impervious to scrutiny and questioning?

Everything posted on ATS is subject to scrutiny, or else we wouldn't be denying ignorance. Claims of alien abductions, free energy, UFO's, etc. are all subject to the same amount of scrutiny. It's not a bad thing to cast doubt and falsify claims that have no merit.


First of all, IF there are threads out there, that are attacking other religions, I wasn't able to find them. So, at the very least, Christianity seems to be assaulted more than any other belief system on this site.

Second, why is this happening? Why are there so many people bent on the downfall of Christianity?


I'm sure you've noticed but the majority of the users from this website are American. The most popular religion in this country (as well as others) is Christianity. If we cannot question and investigate our most popularly held belief because of emotions, then we cannot progress.

And yes, there are a few people on this forum who take it a bit too far with Church-burning enthusiasm. But for the most part, we simply want to escape Christianity's influence in our daily lives. Since I was raised Christian, I will tell you the only reason I believed it was out of fear. Anything that manipulates you through fear is not benevolent or well-spirited. That is my .02 cents.


Finally, why is it condoned on this site?


I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this, because I don't see it that way. I just see critical thinking and analysis going on. But of course, every group has their fair share of zealots.


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 05:43 PM by thehumbleone
reply to post by moocowman



Because she is Jewish and Jewish people do not speak or spell the name of God.

Respect her Beliefs. Something I wish everyone would do.
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