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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Is it anyone's business what another believes?
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
If Christians are not harming anyone at this point in time, why are people so concerned?
Originally posted by semperfortis
I actually have no intent on either arguing or defending my specific beliefs, but I will answer your question.
No I do not believe that it has been embellished or changed in any way.
Originally posted by scorand
reply to post by infolurker
interesting.. thats an oxymoron..
now u see why some are such and easy target..
1. An evangelical atheist is one who not only believes there is no god or other supreme being, but is obsessed with convincing everyone around them to become an atheist too, usually through hard-line intolerance (the kind they accuse other religions of). When cornered they usually try to put down their opponent's religion and bash them for 'blind faith', not realizing that their belief that there is no god is no more or less valid or provable than the other guy's belief that there is one.
Not to be confused with normal atheists/agnostics, who for the most part just dont talk about religion and accept the beliefs of those around them as their perogative. Evangelical atheists are particularly common on the Internet, as organized religion is generally accepted as part of 'the system' of global human society, and lately it's become cool on the Internet to hate 'the system'.
2. An Evangelical Atheist is a person that is an atheist and tries to spread atheism amongst theists. It is derived from Evangelism, meaning "Spreading Good News" as practiced by Christianity. Due to the rise of the Conservative Christian movement in the United States of America and the increase of humanistic thought, along with the increased blending other many different religions, Atheism has become more and more popular. Evangelical atheist usually seeks to "convert" borderline theists, often by engaging in debate with fundamentalists.
What we call the “New Atheism” is a bit different than its predecessor. It’s more aggressive, and it has more power. The leaders of the sect are well placed in the academic world, and they have a strong determination to mold government policy.
And you wouldn’t like the government if the New Atheists molded its policy. Richard Dawkins has asserted that teaching your religion to your child is a form of child abuse and should be criminalized. Other New Atheists have argued that churches should have to post a sign reading “for entertainment purposes only,” since after all they’re no less a fraud than telephone psychics.
The New Atheists see religion as a disease to be exterminated. Their dream, in short, is not a government neutral to religion, but a government actively hostile to religion.
Originally posted by semperfortis
I am a Soldier, Marine and Law Enforcement Officer.
I am also a Christian.
The only hypocrisy is what you are perceiving and what is apparently a misconception of Christianity.
[edit on 2/8/2009 by semperfortis]
I would say it's naive to believe that. Just my opinion.
Originally posted by fooffstarr
reply to post by daersoulkeeper
To the poster who said islam is the same as christianity:
islam: convert or kill the entire world by force, no free will, kill your own brothers if they convert away from the faith. CONQUOR THROUGH FORCE - through deceit (fake peace treaties to bring a lull in fighting to re-arm)
(to anyone who denies the above statements you are the same as the luke-warm-professed-to-be-christian who does not know or read his bible- to deny the koran says convert or kill the entire world, is to not know your own religious text's)
christianity: convert without force, free will, show each other love, turn the other cheek, love your neighbor as yourself.
It will not matter how much reasoning i put in this post, to those who read this that already hate christianity - they are poor, pitiful and blind -
You can post as many bible passages as you want, it does not change the issue.
You come out right off on the defensive, which isn't a good look, nor is it civil. Calling people poor pitiful and blind for having different beliefs makes your entire Religion look like bigoted egotists, and guess what, a lot of the world already perceives you as such because of that attitude.
The issue here is not the idealogical differences between Christianity and Islam, which you haven't seem to have grasped, but the issues of their rights on this forum.
They are both Religions, albeit vastly different, and they are both free game for discussion, debate and criticism. Just because you post a wall of bible quotes does not mean your Religion can get some kind of immunity from the debate.
Please understand, it does not matter how vehemently you believe in something, in this case Religion, it does not make it untouchable or immune to criticism.
I'm going to quote myself again here, and please absorb these words.
When I get told I'm going to hell etc etc. by some pompous zealot who spends more time singing hymns than doing good works, then that angers me.
I feel like saying, 'Please, if your God exists, stand us both before him and let him judge who followed the teachings of his Son more closely'.
[edit on 7-2-2009 by fooffstarr]
Originally posted by semperfortis
reply to post by Stormdancer777
If I had to defend myself or a loved one it is possible I would break number 6.
Not at all...
Most scholars agree that the most accurate definition is closer to "Murder" as Jesus cleared up for us when he came and taught the Pharisees.
There are many allowances in the bible for Soldiers, Warriors and those that enforce the law of the land.
Read Romans when you get a chance; it will ease your mind
Originally posted by justamomma
Originally posted by thehumbleone
But just for you; let's look at what your contention is. You are arguing that because Jesus did not want to help this woman at first, that it somehow makes him a bad person. But does it really?
What was the end result? Did he grant the womans request or not? He did in fact grant her request.
There are many other instances in the Gospels where he helps out Gentiles.
As I said, this is a case of someone trying to single out certain parts of the Gospel to fit their agenda.
[edit on 2/7/2009 by thehumbleone]
Yes.. you are right, though not about being a testiment to my character. I was doing several things when reading this and I misread it. I apologize.
Okay... so, he may have answered it... BUT NOT UNTIL she realized that he was calling her a dog!
Imagine that was you for a second. You put all your faith in this person and have the guts to approach him knowing that you could be a laughing stock, and not only are you, but then you are called a dog.
Yes, she got what she wanted, but look at what she was made to be put through to get it. G.d clearly says in the TAnakh that He is not a respector of persons and Jesus NEVER treated the Jews this way when they came to him. It is biased and wrong despite the end result. She had to leave with the shame of knowing she had been seen as the same as a dog would have been seen.
His "faith" comment was no different than a man would do with his dog.
Here's your treat doggie... it is wrong to treat people that way!
Originally posted by spellbound
Originally posted by VelmaLu
^^^^ This is exactly my point.
Proselytizing at every opportunity.
I am just trying to help people.
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Attempting to debunk a religion is futile.
You cant use reason or logic to prove or disprove the existence of something that does not exist.
Religion requires *belief* *faith* and or *hope* all of which are intangible emotions that require no manifestations in reality for the doctrines of said religion to be preached, taught or enforced.
If anything, you can argue the ACTIONS past and present of those that believe in a particular religion, and by last body count, Christianity is still in the lead.
It is obvious that Atheism cannot be true; for if it were, it would produce a more humane world, since it values only this life and is not swayed by the foolish beliefs of primitive superstitions and religions. However, the opposite proves to be true. Rather than providing the utopia of idealism, it has produced a body count second to none. With recent documents uncovered for the Maoist and Stalinist regimes, it now seems the high end of estimates of 250 million dead (between 1900-1987) are closer to the mark. The Stalinist Purges produced 61 million dead and Mao's Cultural Revolution produced 70 million casualties. These murders are all upon their own people! This number does not include the countless dead in their wars of outward aggression waged in the name of the purity of atheism's world view. China invades its peaceful, but religious neighbor, Tibet; supports N. Korea in its war against its southern neighbor and in its merciless oppression of its own people; and Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge kill up to 6 million with Chinese support. All of these actions done "in the name of the people" to create a better world.
Atheism's Tendency Towards Totalitarianism Rather Than Freedom
What is so strange and odd that in spite of their outward rejection of religion and all its superstitions, they feel compelled to set up cults of personality and worship of the State and its leaders that is so totalitarian that the leaders are not satisfied with mere outward obedience; rather they insist on total mind control and control of thoughts, ideas and beliefs. They institute Gulags and "re-education" centers to indoctrinate anyone who even would dare question any action or declaration of the "Dear Leader." Even the Spanish Inquisition cannot compare to the ruthlessness and methodical efficiency of these programs conducted on so massive a scale. While proclaiming freedom to the masses, they institute the most methodical efforts to completely eliminate freedom from the people, and they do so all "on behalf" of the proletariat. A completely ordered and totally unfree totalitarian State is routinely set up in place of religion, because it is obviously so profoundly better society. It is also strange that Stalin was a seminarian who rejected Christianity and went on to set up himself as an object of worship. It seems that impulse to religious devotion is present in all, whether that be in traditional forms or secular inventions.
And while it is often said that Hitler was a Christian, the Nuremberg documents clearly reveal the heart of this ruthless man who believed in social Darwinism and had devised plans to completely eliminate Christianity after the Third Reich was firmly established. He wanted to use religion to subvert it for his own political purposes, but he had rejected his Catholic heritage long before. What should be of concern to every atheist is that Hitler thought he could best succeed if he eliminated the Church's influence on politics. He promised not to persecute Catholics if the Catholic Church agreed to stay out of politics. However, many Protestants could not accept Hitler's claim to be a German Messiah or submit to an absolute allegiance to the German State, and many Protestants and Catholics were put into Concentration Camps along with the Jews for their resistance to the Führer.
Hitler's view of the Master Race was highly influenced by both Nietzschean Philosophy and modern, Darwinian evolutionary view of science. So we can also obviously see that evolution must be wrong because it led to more than 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews murdered in this quest for Führer worship and absolute power.
My point is this: you cannot say anything about the existence or non-existence of God by comparative body counts. What people do in the name of religion is no worse than what people do in the name of atheism. All it proves is that human beings are capable of unspeakable evils, regardless of their affections or faiths. The Book of James says as much – that people use the cloak of religion to hide their greed and oppress one another:
"What causes fights and quarrels among you? Aren't they caused by the selfish desires that fight to control you? You want what you don't have, so you commit murder. You're determined to have things, but you can't get what you want. You quarrel and fight. You don't have the things you want, because you don't pray for them. When you pray for things, you don't get them because you want them for the wrong reason--for your own pleasure." James 4:1-3, GWV.