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What "IS" The European Union?

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posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by Zenagain
[...] but nonetheless, war is very much still with us as a species. Hence my wondering if maybe Europe isn't going the way of Israel. (Whom to me are just doing to the Palestinians what was done to them in the Holocaust.) Who's to say that you all won't turn that anger "outward"?


How dare you compare the war in Gaza to the Holocaust? This is a stupid, foolish, inappropriate and completely wrong statement
and I won't even argue about it.

War seems to be still with the US citizens... The EU does not turn its anger outwards through war. That's mostly part of the USA.




posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 09:59 AM
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The "War in Gaza"? Tell me all about it guy..... How many Palestinians do YOU know??? Assuming you're in Europe, I'm guessing NONE. They come to MY country for asylum. I've talked to them, I've watched them cry when they lamented the deaths of their families much like the Jews did THEIR families in the Holocaust. Gas chamber or death by a bomb from an F-16. Dead is dead , chief. How DARE I? How dare YOU?



posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 10:14 AM
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I said I won't argue.
Don't get me wrong. I hate what happens in Gaza, but there's no way to compair it with the 3rd Reich. Period.



posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 10:51 AM
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The EU is a monster

Most of the countries tied into the EU (via the last treaty - The Lisbon Treaty) have done so without referendum - the people have had no say!!

In the UK - the impact of EU membership has not yet become evident - but it will be massive

There is a good website - linked below - a must read for anyone in the UK

LINK - DO YOU KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT THE EU



posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 01:46 PM
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Why do people keep saying we have no say in the EU?

WE DO

every time you vote at an election you are voting for candidates and party's which have opinions and policy's on the EU and how Britain interact's with Europe.

We all have local MEP's who you can speak with, if you have a problem with something regarding Britain and Europe, do something about it, don't sit and complain on conspiracy board.



posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by maintainright
I might be wrong in this so bear with me.....

but if the EU was classed as a country, like the US

then would the EU currently have the highest GDP of any country? also the largest military? best funded healthcare/welfare? etc

I'm sure I read that somewhere, but can't think where, probably nonsense anyway


US 21% of worlds GDP
EU 30% of worlds GDP

US military spending is currently double that of combined EU spending but should EU combined defense army come into effect, the expenditure would increase exponentially.

EU already has the best funded healthcare, welfare and education in the world.. but thats because we're all supposedly communist.. or socialist.. whatever the buzzword is at the time in the USofA.



posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by Zenagain
I did Wiki it and read the part about the Lisbon Treaty which just muddles it more for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm all FOR a United Europe that doesn't require my country to come to it's aid in times of....distress..... but I wonder into the future, if this may WELL be the country (EU) that MY country will be called upon AGAINST at some point in the future. Arguably should this Lisbon Treaty take effect. There could well be a time in the not so near future where the U.S. is coming to the aid of Russia to defend it AGAINST the EU. Has not stranger things happened in the past?


Em, the chances are that the US and EU economies will be joined quite a bit by the end of this crises. Also the fact that a war between the two is almost impossible now because of all the treaties, trade and economic agreements between the US and separate EU member states.
What is almost guaranteed at this stage is that it will be the US and EU with 1/7th of the worlds population and over half the worlds GDP vs everyone else.

Edit to add,

I notice that you got annoyed above when it was mentioned that the US is the global aggressor at the moment... while I am also of this opinion, I would like to try and point out that not every large country is aggressive and hell bent on becoming the most powerful.

The EU is based on economic prosperity and equality.. not aggression... many Americans get worried when they hear about what is in the EU and what it may become but this is fear of that which you cannot control and since the ww2, this has been pushed on you as a people.
The president of Russia got it right during his speech to the EU during the recent Polish missile defense shield "misunderstanding" >> "The USA has become overly paranoid about the world".. or something along those lines.



[edit on 7/2/09 by Dermo]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 09:00 AM
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"The USA has become overly paranoid about the world"


Agreed.l But you'd have to see the crap we've been fed on a near daily basis since 9/11. Our government for the past 8 years has fed us a steady diet of terrorism, North Korea nukes, "Iraqi" WMD's.....(Un huh) etc etc etc. It's not like the media selling fear is a new thing, but over the past 8 years they've really poured it on.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 09:14 AM
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I know what you mean, I get a good few of the US new Channels, I often watch them for a bit of a laugh.

Just as long as you can see yourselves where it changes your perspectives from "traditional & open minded" to "conditioned & subverted".

Not everyone is against the USA, many are pretty pissed off with it but when it comes to Europe and the US, we're pretty much made of the same stuff.



[edit on 8/2/09 by Dermo]


SR

posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 09:20 AM
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If you do not learn from history you are doomed to repeat it.

The EU is nothing more but the Holy Roman Empire brought back from the grave or a poor man's version of the USSR.

Let's have a sense of reality here please,

The USA maybe paranoid yet;

The EU has not signed off it's accounts for a decade, will not let every member country democratically vote on their involvement within the EU, Preys on weak countries in their most needy time such as Iceland in an aggresive expansion policy. Has no sense of accountability in the sense that unelected beaucrats can sit behind closed doors and draw up massive amounts of laws. For starters.

What exacatly is the need for the EU when every member country still has it's own parliament?? The comparisons with the USA system are a joke as the USA does not suffer from the same cultural problems as the EU, The USA when a state is in trouble the other states rally behind it

It's just a waste of money and a paper tiger. The recent fiscal crisis showed it's unreliable as every member country broke ranks and did their own thing to save their own skin when the poo hit the fan.

Credit where credit is due the USA is perfect compared to the EU. There is actually still accountable real democracy in the USA as well.


SR

posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 09:26 AM
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I forgot to add that the EU is the old world's poor attempt to copy the USA's success because we have no imagination of our own and seethe in jealousy at how the USA has managed to survive in harmony for so long and save our european asses time and time again.

Let's call a spade a spade, the only reason the EU exists it because European leaders want to be richer and more powerful than the USA, China and Russia that's why big bussiness are behind it 100% because it's win win for them they can compete with these strong countries with the EU to hide behind and drive down wages and costs by bringing in poor countries to the EU.

America, China and Russia etc. owe the EU nothing in the long run because it's ultimate aim is to try to usurp them the other powerhouses are not stupid they see the EU for the paper tiger it is relying on everyone else to take a hit to let it come up to the powerhouse table, Hence the EU's baby crying when Obama called for US protectionism when the EU is guilty of it formost. Because without co-operation from other powerhouses and trying to rule it's citizens with an iron fist the EU would no longer last a minute.

[edit on 8-2-2009 by SR]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 10:30 AM
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Someone doesn't like the idea of the EU.

Might I ask where you are from?



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 07:17 AM
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posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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I would question some of your advantages

Some advantages for EU citizens:
#Travelling without visas inside the EU. - But I could travel to Europe without a visa before the EU, and some entry points to the EU do not have have border regimes as the UK so once someone is inside the EU that can travel away almost freely, with little checks on their status.
#You can work or live in any member state of the EU. And what good is that to me in the UK? Do you think I want to work in some of the recently joined countries of the EU? The flip side of this is that those from countries with a lower standard of living can come to the EU and are prepared to work for less money. This applies to the developed nations of the EU. Just ask a German, A Frenchman, etc
#You can buy estate in all EU countries. Can you? Have you tried to buy real estate in some of the newly joined countries? I found it easier to buy property in the US than some parts of the EU. Just because we have all supposely signed up to the EU, does not mean I can buy property across the EU.
#EEA - European Economic Area. Trade without custom dutys. Again, products from lower cost economies cost less and can be moved to the UK and the like and drive local businesses under. What a great idea!!
#Variety of subsidies for less developed countries and branches of economy within the EU. So I am expected the fund the development of these countries so their people can come to the UK, and work for less than local workers. And then I can expect their cheaper products as well. Look at Ireland. Has a good major road network now. Paid for in part by British tax payers and who is gives the UK funding to develop your transport network? Certainly not the EU
#Safer borders and less need of armies. You must be kidding me!!! If we have safer borders, how come the UK Borders agency are catching thousands of illegal aliens at the Tunnel. These people got in to Europe. I wonder how? Safer borders? HA. And please explain smaller armies. Just because Europe is at peace (which I will accept is a good thing), The UK needs to maintain its military as we have protect the nation further away.
#The EURO as a single currency. (Not in the UK) And with a single currency, comes a single policy which has failed to support all parts of Europe. If you have a single fiscal policy such as the ECB and they set interest rates in the EU, one rate can never cater for the needs of a single country, so some countries will alway suffer. And please ask anybody from the Euro zone, what happened to prices when they converted.
#Easy prosecution of criminals Please. How many UK criminals are living in Spain?

As you can guess, I am far from a fan of the EU, and I never had the change to vote No.

And why would the UK economy collapse if we withdraw from the EU. While we do trade with the EU, we do as much trade outside of the EU and if we were not burdened with billions of Pounds in taxes to support the poor of Europe, we could use it to develop other marketplaces.

The EU as some have said in this thread, is the work of a small number of Europe's elite political leaders over the last 60 years. If there was a EU wide vote on a single currency and continued membership, I am certain it would fall. And you have ask why Ireland is being forced to vote again on the Lisbon Treaty? Because the "monkeys" that run the EU, did not like the answer, so they will continue to get the Irish people to vote until the deliver the right answer.

Democracy in action??



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 01:17 PM
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The European Union is an Illuminati Gravy Train, and is part of their plan to govern the world. Every time a product is bought in the EU, a percentage of the price is paid in taxation which goes to fund too many olive trees, peasant French farmers and grandiose infrastructure projects.

The Fisheries policy means that most British Fishermen have gone out of business, whilst Spanish fishermen strip our seabeds of marine life. It's about only selling straight cucumbers and that bananas must conform to a certain shape.

It's about not being allowed to use Stevia, a natural extremely low calorie sweetener, and only being permitted to use Nutrasweet, a chemical product. It's about not being allowed to buy fruit and vegetable seed varieties which we have grown for centuries. It's about only selling food in kilogrammes and not in pounds.

It is an expensive layer of goverment that we don't need, and many of the populations of European countries don't want. The various treaties that keep getting signed impose more and more laws on us week in and week out, and it doesn't benefit us. Britain is the largest net contributer of funds, and we get precious little for it.

The treaties also have a clause which prevents us from leaving the EU. That's worse than being ruled by the Roman Empire like we used to be!

My family fought in two World Wars to make sure we British weren't governed from mainland Europe. Guess what? We're now governed from Brussels in Belgium, the HQ of the European Union.

Whilst there are those who like the EU, I don't, so I have presented an alternative view which may not find favour with everyone.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by Tallsorts
Whilst there are those who like the EU, I don't, so I have presented an alternative view which may not find favour with everyone.


And what would that be?



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by Dermo

Originally posted by Tallsorts
Whilst there are those who like the EU, I don't, so I have presented an alternative view which may not find favour with everyone.


And what would that be?


It would be what I said in my post.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by Tallsorts

Originally posted by Dermo

Originally posted by Tallsorts
Whilst there are those who like the EU, I don't, so I have presented an alternative view which may not find favour with everyone.


And what would that be?


It would be what I said in my post.


Oh right, I thought that was common knowledge about the EU... not an alternative view



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