The Serpent at the base of the spine?

I'm curious to know if any of you know anything about Kundalini or Kali. I look at this stuff as demon possession. Let me give you some info on a person I know that is having severe unexplained pain and I want to bounce something off of all of you to see if you think I might be on to something or if you think it's unrelated. I would really like to hear mostly from Christians, but I'll read all posts. I'm a Christian and I do believe in demon possession.

That said, I have a relative that is having severe problems with leg cramps that are completely unbearable. She has been prescribed incredible amounts of pain killers (every thing you can imagine) and nothing really seems to help her. She also doesn't like to take them because she can't function on them and feels like a zombie when drugged.

When she was a teen, she was molested. I remember that when she was in junior high, she was very interested in the occult and thought that there was a demon in her house. Her sister claimed to have seen something in the closet and I do know that at some point in those years, her brother was scratched down his back while in the shower. Fast forward a few years, this relative of mine has ballooned with her weight and she's married to a man that teases her relentlessly about her weight, cheats on her, etc. Fast forward a few more years and her life looks dark to the outside world. She is a professional piercer and she does suspension shows (those shows where people hang from hooks in their skin or pull against other people). Now, I think those shows are all about overcoming your pain and my own Christian perspective is that this is something people do to try to atone for their own sins, whether they realize that or not. I think people have to have a lot of emotional pain to enjoy doing these shows. Obviously, my relative has a lot of emotional pain.

Well, now she has this mysterious problem with the leg cramps and the doctors haven't been able to find an answer via looking to her spine or her brain. They're perplexed. My first thought was that this was somehow related to her emotional pain and to her suspensions - that maybe she has damaged her body's ability to deal with pain or that it enjoys pain subconciously so it causes its own pain. Today, it crossed my mind that maybe this has something do do with that demon that is associated with the spine. It's a Hindu thing and I don't want to debate Hindus on the validity of their gods. They're demons as far as I'm concerned and we can debate that in a different thread. I don't know if I should ask this relative if she's ever heard of Kundalini and if she's ever done anything to encourage this thing in her life. I've felt for a long time that she has a darkness over her that is oppressing her. I do strongly feel that she is oppressed by demonic entities. But do any of you believe that a demonic entity can wreak havoc on one's physical health in the manner that my relative is experiencing? I want to help her and feel so bad for her. I pray often that she would come to know Christ so she can let go of all the pain she has inside of her and just give it to him.

is she still overweight?
what's her diet? how old is she? what's her race ? (can make a difference on what ailments might be involved)

It could be nerve pain. Pain medications will not help nerve pain. Has she had a EMG, and nerve conduction study at all? This is the direction that I would go in.

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Yes, she's still overweight and she knows she has some compressed disks in her lower spine, but the doctors aren't convinced that this is causing her problems. For whatever reason, they think it is more likely brain related, but she's had 3 MRIs and nothing is showing up as a problem.

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I don't know if she's had an EMG. I will ask her. I would assume so, but I'll ask anyway.

can you explain the exact symptoms she's having? like where is the pain at specifically? does it move? does it change from day to day? is it bad at some times and not others? is it worse, i mean, at different times?

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She's basically told me it just hits her and when it does, she falls to the floor and she cannot crawl, walk, etc. She said the only way to describe it would be like a charlie horse that is so so much more than a charlie horse. It encompasses her entire legs. When they're cramping, her feet and toes contort and she now has nueropathy in one foot and its toes. THe doctors think that the cramping was so bad it damaged the nerves in her foot! I'm rereading some of her emails with details. She says that when it happens, she usually ends up on her back, convulses and sometimes even passes out. She said that to someone seeing it, she looks like she's having a siezure, but she isn't.

Kundalini is very different from Kali - Kali is an entity/god of the lower spiritual/material division. It is the entity which most reveres sacrifice as portrayed in the movie "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom". Likely it is the god revered by the Illuminati. In the 1800s it was practiced in India via the Thugi cult. Kundalini is an energy associated with the Guda Chakra and is used by faiths such as Hari Krishna. It is a very powerful force in the body but is material in nature, a hindrance and unnecessary for genuine spiritual practice. Don't know what that has to do with your relatives condition but I can say that such pain is often associated with weak kidneys and perhaps indirectly weak liver. A good Chinese acupuncture, QiKung and herbalist might be very good for this condition.

they tested her for diabetes? ask her what she eats too. her weight may be exacerbating the condition. the leg thing almost sounds like sciatica. that's a nasty one. i remember when i was rehabilitating from being in a coma and the lady i shared the room with, had a horrible case of it. they'd give her morphine injections and she would beg them for harder stuff because it wasn't touching it and she was in alot of pain.

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With respect to your beliefs and all , i don`t think it is a good idea to suggest to her that her ailments are demonic in nature , especially if the woman has had severe emotional trauma.
Exhaust all obvious causes first , seek multiple independent medical opinions.


Have you had her see a Doc who specialises in diagnosing Multiple Sclerosis ?.

........ possibility.

good luck.

[edit on 6-2-2009 by UmbraSumus]

i respect your Christian P.O.V. and in no way am trying to debate you.

That said, i'd like to point out that Kundalini and Kali is two different things. Kali= Hindu Goddess, associated with Death, but suffice to say, not kundalini.
Kundalini isn't really a serpent in the body at the base of the spine. That is metaphorical and used as a desriptor to make it easier to meditate. i personally never used it even as a beginner. Its not necessary.

What is viewed as demon possession is not from kundalini meditation, as that is shutting oneself within the confines of ones own mind, and does not allow outside interference.

What demon possession is, is most likely negative entities invading ones mind/spirit/body. This could come from all the negativity surrounding your relatives life. These negative entities gravitate towards people whose lives are filled with negativity. They very well could have been there for awhile.

My suggestion is to ask her if she is into occult, which meditation is not apart of nor have anything to do with. Ask her if she has been involved in any occult rituals, or seances. This would open portal, so to speak, for the neg. polarity entities to enter within her. That said, it could be demon possession if that is the case.

i would like to further stress the fact that Kundalin Meditation has nothing to do with the occult, nor does it allow for outside influences to disturb or enter the mind/body. Just the opposite. Occult = Outside Forces Meditation= Innate Human Psychic abilities. We all got them.

From a physical standpoint, stress is a big factor in unexplained pains in the body. This is triggered when the brain gets too much of a certain chemical and sends it to an extremity of the body. My suggestion for this, though wether or not you take it , i dunno, is Meditation. i know, but seriously, it reduces stress like you wouldn't believe. Well, unless you try it.

Good luck.

Love and Peace

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She's being treated with drugs for MS and Parkinsons disease in the meantime, while they try to nail down the cause of her problems. I think they ruled out MS though.

I practice a Kundalini meditation almost daily, and can tell you it's not Satanic or any of that other junk.

I'm not sure about Kali, as I haven't really heard of it, but Kundalini is fine.

i have type 2 diabetes that manifested as extreme neuropathy. the docs hadnt found the diabetes, even after blood sugar tests, until one day i went in to have a physical after eating at a chinese buffet. the doc found it and sent me home with the standard diabetes kit. before that, they told me my neuropathy was a somatic disorder related to depression. of course it wasn't. it was diabetic neuropathy. so i take methyl B-12 for the neuropathy and alpha lipoic acid to balance the blood sugar. the doc didn't prescribe those though. i found those from reading. the methyl B-12 is a treatment being used for people with diabetic neuropathy and even more specifically for autism. (long story related to nerve regeneration) by a dr. james neubrander
www.drneubrander.com...
he gives injections though. i don't take injections, i just buy the methyl b-12 from the health food store. 5000mcg orally, every three days, is what i take. or you can take 3000mcg every day (but the 5000mcg every 3 days is better due to how the body uses methyl b-12). if she's having neuropathy, that may be a possible solution. not sure though. depends on what her doctor is giving her now.

anywhoo.... you never know. she might also want to get a check for lymes disease. if she's had relations with anyone in the military, she might want to get tested for gulf war syndrome. dr. garth nicholson www.immed.org...

there's also the possibility of kidney stones, which i hear can be excruiatingly painful. there's countless possibilities in addition to things like parkinsons and ms.





[edit on 7-2-2009 by undo]

Originally posted by Ron Paul Girl
When she was a teen, she was molested.

I stopped reading this after I saw this statement. That can and very often does in women cause somatoformatic symptoms like pelvic pain, lower body pain and vaganismis. I'm also willing to bet that she was molested or abused before she was a teen. People do not typically have the freeze reaction at an older age like that unless it has been learned in childhood. But i'm no professional at all in any way.

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[edit on 11-2-2009 by n0tsan3]

Originally posted by Ron Paul Girl
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Yes, she's still overweight and she knows she has some compressed disks in her lower spine, but the doctors aren't convinced that this is causing her problems. For whatever reason, they think it is more likely brain related, but she's had 3 MRIs and nothing is showing up as a problem.

Wow, the more i read the more i feel like i am listening to an old radio show i used to listen to. So, she has back problems and has taken pain pills? I'd think that she is still taking them and is addicted to them. What happens is that the brain learns that it gets the reward of opiates when it feels pain...that makes some of the most unbearable pain ever. The thing is, if she gets about 6 months sober, volia, the pain magically goes away. Does she have and alcoholic/addict parents or grandparents? Do you know if she actually is taking anything even if she says that she is not? More info. would help. This just sounds like a text book call to that radio show.

[edit on 11-2-2009 by n0tsan3]