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reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 12:22 AM by ravenshadow13
reply to post by peskyhumans


You're awesome. That's a really good point. Bees are weird. A queen has 32 chromosomes but a male results from an unfertilized egg and has only 16 chromosomes (a drone). Apparently this has no problem itself with bees. In the case of the different species, I'm pretty sure that the number of chromosomes is the same for all species of bee. I tried to look it up on the net, but I couldn't find the chromosome numbers for those two different species. I think that the Africanized/killer bees are more different in terms of behavior, and not form, than the European ones because they are a subspecies. They are both honey bees, which were relatively recently one species. It takes a long time and many more mutations for the chromosome number itself to change. So no, the offspring would not be sterile, I don't think. I also don't think that they would breed. Bees are very territorial and typically remain isolated to their colonies. It would be a big deal for one to move to a different hive, and a bigger deal for it to move to one of a different type of bee.

But I did read in one or two of the articles that another "stress factor" thought to contribute to the immune problems is inbreeding among colonies and populations. Although not directly responsible, it could play a part in the puzzle.

There is only one species that we use for commercial crops and move around to pollenate different things. They interact the most and are the species that is exhibiting CCD that I know of. I'm not sure if other bees are, but I think it is just this type of honeybee. Africanized bees are not typically used for commercial purposes so they would not have interacted with the honeybees. Whereas many beekeepers will bring their colonies all around the world to famous places like the lavender fields in France. I think this is where something contagious would play a factor, and also where colonies may switch up a bit. I'm really not sure, though.

The type of bee that we use is the European honey bee, Apis mellifera. Wikipedia sites a number of bees like Africanized bees as subspecies, which probably wouldn't cross subspecies. I think only mellifera gets CCD and I believe that there aren't populations of mixed bees. I could be wrong, but it's not common.

www.glenn-apiaries.com...
www.indianchild.com...
en.wikipedia.org...


[edit on 2/7/2009 by ravenshadow13]


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 12:44 AM by ravenshadow13
reply to post by peskyhumans


You're totally right, it is pheromones. That I know for sure. They want to reproduce and they need a queen to do that.


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 02:49 AM by mental modulator
Originally posted by ravenshadow13
reply to post by mental modulator


Thank you! Yeah, honey has antibacterial properties. Interesting, right? I was just fascinated by this whole phenomena and I think it has rather important implications.


Did not know about the anti bacterial properties of honey.

What I was referring to is akin to natural immunization to some degree.

Theory goes -

BEES are exposed to a very large variety of particulates.

Pollen, dust, microbes and the like are inadvertently collected with the pollen by the bees.

Next - All of these components are in essence transfered to the honey during production.

The concentration levels of these various substances are hardly detectable....

The concept goes off to say,

"these substances are then ingested ( being in the honey )
which introduces said particles into the body."

"Eventually the particles are encountered by the body's immune system."

"The immune system in turn " learns " how to deal with the particles."

"The weak concentration in the honey provides a "LESSON" to the immune system, but does not trigger a full reaction/illness."

"So next time the body encounters larger quantities of the particles, it already "understands" how to react in the most efficient manner, thanks to the honey."


Great for outdoors allergies.

Just buy local honey and your body will likely get exposed to local allergens.

Kind of like a fLU shot... many swear by it!

Cheers

[edit on 7-2-2009 by mental modulator]


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 02:55 AM by DEEZNUTZ
reply to post by ravenshadow13


You don't think scientists could modify bugs for vaccine or other purposes(some devious)

Here ya go

Bio Bugs


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 03:02 AM by whitewave
Originally posted by ravenshadow13
reply to post by peskyhumans



There is only one species that we use for commercial crops and move around to pollenate different things. They interact the most and are the species that is exhibiting CCD that I know of.

Maybe they got tired of being slaves for the corporate masters and headed for the hills?

S&F, btw.



reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 04:07 AM by Realtruth
Originally posted by ravenshadow13

You also say "I see it first hand, the bees are somehow, someway are not returning to the hives and I don't mean they swarm and leave the hives. These bees are actually losing there way somehow" which contradicts what you said about bees dying and being ill in the hives, staying there 24/7. That was in this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...

And also you seem to have believed pesticides to be the problem, now GM crops. It's okay, there are a lot of factors that cause honeybee immune systems to be stressed in the first place and you know that, too. The cause is still unknown. I would be really angry and confused if I were a beekeeper through this.

[edit on 2/6/2009 by ravenshadow13]


A little about bees, and farming first hand.

Please don't buy into the rubbish the media spews.

Seasoned and experienced beekeepers are seeing the results first hand.

First off GM crops and pesticides are one in the same or should I say pesticides are genetically altered into the seeds, to produce their own pesticides while growing. Do some research on Google and you will understand this.

ATS is to deny Ignorance.

Basic example GMO altered seeds/pesticides.

www.csa.com...


The new genetically-modified plant will gain drought tolerance as well. Not only can genes be transferred from one plant to another, but genes from non-plant organisms also can be used. The best known example of this is the use of B.t. genes in corn and other crops. B.t., or Bacillus thuringiensis, is a naturally occurring bacterium that produces crystal proteins that are lethal to insect larvae. B.t. crystal protein genes have been transferred into corn, enabling the corn to produce its own pesticides against insects such as the European corn borer.


2nd, What I did say is " When bees become ill they die in and around the hive, period. Why? because that is what bees live for, to service their hive 24/7 365 days a year."

So with this bees are not being found in and around the hives but not returning. It appears bees are fine one day showing no signs of sickness, then out of the blue vanishing without a trace. Bees live to serve their hives, by collecting, pollen, nectar, fanning, cleaning, etc..., they are 100% loyal unless swarming occurs, then you can most likely find them clustered, on a branch, in a tree nearby.

So is it pesticides/GMO's maybe, is it microwaves maybe, is it a virus maybe, but that facts remain that when bees get sick from something they typical are found in and around the hives after they die. This is why I don't buy into virus's or diseases, bees are loyal like no other to their hives.

Get you facts straight and your level of understanding up to par before you post misconstrued facts and twisted quotes, which I do not appreciate at all.



[edit on 7-2-2009 by Realtruth]


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 10:12 AM by Realtruth
Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
I think that industrial farming could be the problem. I'm not a farmer or a beekeeper but it seems to me that farming has become such a big business that more and more huge plots of land are being "developed" for such purposes. That leads to the decimation of natural colonies within that area. The farmers then have to ship in the bees from other areas of the country. Those bees can't be as adapted to the local environment/bugs/viruses, etc. as natural colonies would be. Additionally, they are put into enormous fields to pollinate the same crop for 3 weeks. Do bees need diversity in their diets? Are the beekeepers unintentionally decreasing the viability of their bees through the transport of them to different areas to do their work?






First question, European Honey bees are not looking for any type of bloom/nectar they can find, in fact when a hive is first established beekeepers will put 10 to 20 pounds of granulated sugar inside the hive to give them a good start. They do not need a diversity of blooms for their diet, but when offered wild flowers or anything growing wild over human planted crops, they choose wild flowers. Farmers have to put the hive in orchards or very close to the crops, so the bees will work their crops instead of natural growth. Bees try to adapt to most environments they are introduce to, but what happens is the indigenous bees get pushed out of existence.


Decrease viability, my belief on this is yes. Most Bees today are of the European honeybee descent, they are not a very hardy species anymore. It's a combination of the bee breeders, environment, and ignorance, most indigenous bees are all but extinct.

Genetically modified African bee are amazing little buggers that were introduce around the mid to late 50's, but they are very aggressive, produce less honey, and wax. I have a friend in the business that swears by them because they are almost disease resistant and predators dare but mess with the hives. Example: I saw these little monsters behavior first hand. A typical European bee will follow you about a 100 yards from the hive if angry, but their African counterpart will follow you up to a mile before giving up.


Very good questions.


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 12:28 PM by M157yD4wn
i've been following this thread since it was opened, and i read most of the provided information, and watched the video. It is indeed interesting, and if it is some form of autoimmune disease, then the implications of what that means in regard to further study, and hopefully better treatment of HIV, is huge.

But i went out looking, and found a few testimonies of bee-keepers that match what RealTruth said. There is a bee-keeper in my neighborhood, not quite a large operation or anything, but his bees vanished a month ago. Those are the words he used. Vanished.

Also, i called a few "honey harvesters" in the area and got the basic rundown. Apparently, the farmers on MSM tell the truth, but the MSM has been skewing the output, as it were. Indeed, they are vanishing. And they don't fly away from the hive for the greater good. This simply does not happen. Everyone is just assuming these bees are dead.

After further research, i have come to my own conclusions regarding this mass disappearance of bees. Yes it involves my own beliefs, but it does make sense if these beliefs as i see them are true. Bear with me here.

A honeybee can detect and "spot" different frequencies. These frequencies are one of the ways in which they communicate. Apparently, the bees dance. The dancing generates low intensity 250 hz -300 hz sound. The bees are evolved to being able to detect different frequencies in the air, and attune to these frequencies. They are naturally sensitive to the changing vibrations of the Earth.

Some of the first documented occurences of CCD happened around 1986, which is around the time Earth started ramping up its shift into 4th/5th density.

In a nutshell, i believe the bees are attuning to the higher 4th/5th density vibrations of the earth. They aren't dying. We just can't see them.

sources Dynamic Range Compression in Honeybee

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 7-2-2009 by M157yD4wn]


reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 01:11 PM by Realtruth
Bravo!

I never wanted to go into any of what most call pseudo-science, but I believe exactly what you are referring to.

Many people on ATS only have the ability or capabilities of only believing what they see, hear, touch, taste, unfortunately all of these sense can be deceived.

Everything is energy and vibrates at a particular freq.

Here is something to ponder as the freq increase, earths magnetism will plunge to the Zero point. People's memories long and short term are starting to be affected by this, kind of like a hard drive being erased.

Originally posted by M157yD4wn

After further research, i have come to my own conclusions regarding this mass disappearance of bees. Yes it involves my own beliefs, but it does make sense if these beliefs as i see them are true. Bear with me here.

A honeybee can detect and "spot" different frequencies. These frequencies are one of the ways in which they communicate. Apparently, the bees dance. The dancing generates low intensity 250 hz -300 hz sound. The bees are evolved to being able to detect different frequencies in the air, and attune to these frequencies. They are naturally sensitive to the changing vibrations of the Earth.

Some of the first documented occurences of CCD happened around 1986, which is around the time Earth started ramping up its shift into 4th/5th density.

In a nutshell, i believe the bees are attuning to the higher 4th/5th density vibrations of the earth. They aren't dying. We just can't see them.

sources Dynamic Range Compression in Honeybee

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 7-2-2009 by M157yD4wn]



reply posted on 7-2-2009 @ 01:41 PM by foremanator
This takes in to account Ocean dead spots Skin cancer and disappearing honey bees.
You guys should check out the UV index in Australia
www.bom.gov.au...


honeybees are blind to red light, but sensitive to UV. Under UV flowers look different to how they do under normal lighting. They take on the appearance of a target with an array of lines pointing towards a dark spot in the center. It is thought that this is the cue which bees use to recognise flowers.

www.setiai.com...

UV-B radiation may directly impair whale vision, lower reproductive success and immune response, and increase the likelihood of disease. Indirectly, UV-B exposure may reduce the survival and reproductive capacity of whale prey of zooplankton and fish species.

www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov...
Dead zones where fish and most marine life can no longer survive are spreading across the continental shelves of the world's oceans at an alarming rate as oxygen vanishes from coastal waters,

www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov...
In the Southern Ocean and elsewhere, it has been shown that most microbial life is sensitive to in situ UV exposure, including viruses, bacteria,

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