The Abundance Paradigm: By Amaterasu; Now Online!!!

reply to post by Amaterasu


Thanks for putting your work out there. As soon as I finish I will comment. It sounds interesting. S&F.

For the record:

There is no call for donations. There isn't even any personal information by which a donation could be made.

As well, the book is Amaterasu's own work, uploaded by her onto Media ATS and made available for free. In fact, Staff suggested that she take this course of action.

And that wasn't her who wrote the review.

So, going forward...please remain on topic and discuss the material as her motivations are not an issue.

Thank you.

A fascinating piece of literature, a lot of work went into it, my respects.

I would upload my E booklet on Retreat Survivalism if I knew how to do it ???

Any offers?

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


"Intelectual property" is an evil concept. I could write more about this but I won't.
Try reading "Ishamel" by Daniel Quinn, or "The Ascent of Humanity" by Charles Eisenstein, he denies the concept of "intelectual property" and has put his entire book here for free :

www.ascentofhumanity.com...

Thanks for the book Amaterasu, reading it now



[edit on 7-2-2009 by pai mei]

Well, I've given it a read and I thank you for exposing yourself in this way.

Points for (what I consider the correct) use of "myriad".

Still not certain what it's doing in Survival, however, were it elsewhere I probably would not have given it a second thought.

I would really like to give it a read but when I try to open it I get a white page with an X on it any suggestions?

Originally posted by theRiverGoddess
I just dont understand the 'problem' some of you are having here.

The OP hosts a PDF on ATS.....makes it available for everyone for free, and makes a thread pointing out the work and gives a brief synopsis....

WHATS so wrong with that??


[edit on 6-2-2009 by theRiverGoddess]

absolutely nothing

i like the premise of the book, and ill check it out soon when i have time

starred and flagged for actually writing something and sharing it for free

Thanks for the upload, i hated it, but thanks.

To be honest, and i always am, i found the gender bias a little insulting and the style putridly mawkish while the faux-ideal society was a little unrealistic.

My main topic of study has been 'visions of utopia' for quiet some time so i gave your's a chance and read huge chunks of it, alas i couldn't bring myself to consume it entirely but i think i got the point.

The technological utopia which you describe has been covered in quiet alot of sci-fi, the most well known of course 'Star Trek' which non-federation life is lived on the maxim that we're all catholic (not the religion but it's original meaning i.e. universal, a collective, etc) and everyone can have whatever they want supplied from the central pool because any form of personal development adds to the greater whole.

However many other tales point out the issues that may come with this approach, 'Soylent Green' shows an attempt at a tech utopia in which the population outgrows its bounds and the only protean source left is reprocessed people.. 'Logans Run' shows an attempt at using technology to limit peoples maximum age, 'Texonherize' (i can't spell it sorry) is a Japanese work showing the possible issues involved in human-machine augmentation, '1984' shows how the state uses technology to oppress people who disagree with 'the system' while brave new worlds details the loss of #real# humanity in the attempt at reaching a tech utopia.

You might well think that none of these works have any bearing on your text but indeed they do, it might be nice for your lucky heroin to float her zen garden ship down the grand canyon and take in the sublime air - what about my MASSIVE gunship? i was going to float around that canyon too and so were 2.4million other people, although i'm sure my huge sub bass speakers are the biggest (78 thousand killowatt) i suspect others like loud driving beats too

So, in reality this massive beauty spot is a horrendous cram of offensive people, just like every other inch of the earth, sky and solar system. So are you going to ban things you don't like, such as the hardcore porn i've painted all over my gigantic battleship? Are you going to limit access to sections of the globe? How are transgressors and trespassers punished? How do you ensure people obey the rules?

hehe you think just because someone has video of me playing offensive loud music it will make me stop? Think just because i have been filmed every day of my life i will stop wanting to resist? you think that you can convince me to like zen nonsense (also can't you just call it west-coast-buddism not zen) and gold brocaded lavender popery? haha "it was then in the corridors of MinZen as Winston felt the bullet enter from behind he realized, he truly loved Angel Fairy's"

What if i don't like your rules? hehe EVERYONE RUNS!

Also more to the point you don't really cover how we move from now, the complex system which is required to assure that the LIMITED wealth of the planet and humanitys LIMITED production potential are distributed in a way which allows the society to continues to function and thus humanity to continue progressing towards an eventual tech utopia, if indeed it's possible.

If we want to get to the point that everyone can have what they desire then we need SCIENCE SCIENCE SCIENCE, this means we need to become far more honest with ourselves and far more pragmatic in out lives. This means dropping nonsense psudo-science and logical fallacy from our mind, admitting how hard life is and how imperfect humans and the universe are and we need to be more open to science, learn to understand it -don't fear it, don't leave it to others, we all need to understand it or we're never getting anywhere good.

[edit on 7-2-2009 by NatureBoy]

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR

Surely this is a severe violation of T&C.

I don't even need to have access to the servers of this site to tell that this is a shameless plug of a literary piece. I haven't read it, nor will I. If this thread isn't removed and the OP docked a SERIOUS amount of his/her points, I may quit posting here.

[edit on 6-2-2009 by Jay-in-AR]

Uhmmm.... it's free! Did you read that?

How is that a "shameless plug"? I write documents all the time and give people the link... for free.

It sounds like sour grapes to me which completely detracts from the beauty of what the OP has created.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
If this thread isn't removed and the OP docked a SERIOUS amount of his/her points, I may quit posting here.
...
Eh, maybe it is just too late in the evening. When I read the first two posts of this thread, it SCREAMED to me of someone who has two names who created the second to plug his/her own work.
Not requiring money for the book, mind you, but asking for contributions.

I may be way off base here, but that is shameless.

HATE SPEECH! SUBTLE HATE SPEECH! BAN THIS PERSON NOW...

j/k

---I thought it was a T+C violation at first but then I opened my chakras up and let teh Universal lurrve flow. AAAAHHhhhhhhh. Secondly it seems like a very well written book, and it's an *awesome* gesture to give away something like that for free. Humanity is sorely in need of guidance right now. I have a lot of hassle breaking out of the scarcity programming I've been subjected too.

I really look forward to reading this.

I was thinking about the nature of evil the other day, and I really think one of the it's faces on this planet is scarcity. Scarcity is ravaging our society, from nutritional and spiritual scarcity in the west to financial scarcity in the south. Everywhere you look, humans are being restricted and denied access to their full potential by lack of something. Look how money imprisons us all.

Scarcity is a weapon.

Jay, may your heart and mind open to the beauty and abundance of the universe, and may your every step be filled with mystery, wonder, and the cool fire of eternal friendship.





[edit on 8-2-2009 by HiAliens]

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Eh, maybe it is just too late in the evening. When I read the first two posts of this thread, it SCREAMED to me of someone who has two names who created the second to plug his/her own work.
Not requiring money for the book, mind you, but asking for contributions.

I may be way off base here, but that is shameless.

Have read this far and must assure you that I did NOT write anything under any name but "Amaterasu." The second post is from someone who read my work, given freely, and with no expectation of "contributions" (unless they are in the form of suggestions to make the piece better...), "donations," or any other monetary gain.

If what I envision comes to pass...that will be payment in full, as you will see if you choose to read it.

I do appreciate your suspicions; I can see why you might have interpreted things the way you did. So all is cool.

Originally posted by telemetry
I do appreciate you pointing the donation thing out though...

I never asked for donations! I said money would be nice in my life right now and I guess it was missed that I was saying that I am letting it go for free as it will, with any luck, bring about abundance and money will be moot. Therefore, contributions are not expected or needed.

Originally posted by sdrawkcabII
But yes...you do geta S&F from me! Excellent effort! Excellent work!

Thank you so much! I appreciate all the positive input here.

I am hoping it will open things up for the Human hearted.

Originally posted by Hanslune
Oh and I did look at the book, wonderfully impartical, lovely in being non-functional and suited well for a species other than Homo Sapien Sapien.

[smile]

I suspect you failed to really read the book. [shrug] Your choice.

But thanks for skimming.

Originally posted by NatureBoy
Thanks for the upload, i hated it, but thanks.

Fair enough. We all have our opinions.

To be honest, and i always am, i found the gender bias a little insulting and the style putridly mawkish while the faux-ideal society was a little unrealistic.

Gender bias? [shrug] I thought I made it clear that, regardless of gender, choice is the option we all could have. My style? Heh. Sure. If you dislike it...whatever. The style was not the point of the piece.

And do please explain what is "faux" about this ideal, where every Individual of Sentience can choose where and how they live their lives? Yes, I showed one, high-tech perspective, but in this story, between the lines, there are people choosing to live on the land, hunting and fishing, farming and washing their clothes by hand. If that is their bliss...they are welcome to it. So what's "faux" about that concept of Utopia?

My main topic of study has been 'visions of utopia' for quiet some time so i gave your's a chance and read huge chunks of it,

Ah. You did not read it beginning to end. That might explain why you reacted unfavorably. That may explain why you failed to take the message from it. Perhaps you should follow the story, actually look at the full map, before you jump to "reviewing" based on incomplete impressions.

alas i couldn't bring myself to consume it entirely but i think i got the point.

Nope. I do believe you failed in the point-getting department.

The technological utopia which you describe has been covered in quiet alot of sci-fi, the most well known of course 'Star Trek' which non-federation life is lived on the maxim that we're all catholic (not the religion but it's original meaning i.e. universal, a collective, etc) and everyone can have whatever they want supplied from the central pool because any form of personal development adds to the greater whole.

Nope again. Perhaps you should actually read the piece...oh. Wait. You can't bring yourself to. [shrug] Don't know what to tell you.

However many other tales point out the issues that may come with this approach, 'Soylent Green' shows an attempt at a tech utopia in which the population outgrows its bounds and the only protean source left is reprocessed people..

Soylent Green is a scarity paradigm.

'Logans Run' shows an attempt at using technology to limit peoples maximum age,

The need to limit age places Logan's Run into a scarcity paradigm.

'Texonherize' (i can't spell it sorry) is a Japanese work showing the possible issues involved in human-machine augmentation,

I am unfamiliar with this work, but will bet that it has a money based development, and likely is based in scarcity... I will look for it and see.

'1984' shows how the state uses technology to oppress people who disagree with 'the system'

1984 is deep into the scarcity paradigm.

while brave new worlds details the loss of #real# humanity in the attempt at reaching a tech utopia.

And yet... It does not depict a free internet (a key in diseminating information and social ratings). Also... It is a scarcity paradigm.

You might well think that none of these works have any bearing on your text but indeed they do, it might be nice for your lucky heroin to float her zen garden ship down the grand canyon and take in the sublime air what about my MASSIVE gunship?-

What would you have this gunship for? Why do you want it? What are you planning to take from others with it? What would be the point of it? Do please explain.

i was going to float around that canyon too and so were 2.4million other people,

All at the same time??? I doubt this seriously. And considering that my father once calculated that one could take the mass of every single human and fit it into one small side canyon - with a bunch of space in that small canyon left over... Seems there would be plenty of room to hold 6.5 billion + people in the main canyon itself.

But I doubt it will have all converging on that spot at once.

although i'm sure my huge sub bass speakers are the biggest (78 thousand killowatt) i suspect others like loud driving beats too

I imagine you could make a complete pest of yourself if you tried, but then... I also imagine others would avoid you and you could sit with your guns and amps all by your self all you wanted.

So, in reality this massive beauty spot is a horrendous cram of offensive people,

Offensive people??? Like you, I take it? I doubt it. Most people of human heart are considerate and compassionate when they can afford to be. Perhaps your heart is of lizard...?

just like every other inch of the earth, sky and solar system. So are you going to ban things you don't like,

Nothing at all is banned, but behaving towards others such that they are not fully informed and willing to participate will earn you the status of pariah.

such as the hardcore porn i've painted all over my gigantic battleship? Are you going to limit access to sections of the globe? How are transgressors and trespassers punished? How do you ensure people obey the rules?

Have all the porn you want. No limits except into personal space - domiciles, in other words. Transgressors? Shunned if they choose to behave that poorly. Really. All this is answered in the book, and if you can't bring yourself to actually read it...

As politely as I can muster... Shut up. [smile]

hehe you think just because someone has video of me playing offensive loud music it will make me stop?

No. Just make them choose to be elsewhere. If you choose turd behavior, expect to be treated as a turd.

Think just because i have been filmed every day of my life i will stop wanting to resist?

Um... Resist what?

you think that you can convince me to like zen nonsense (also can't you just call it west-coast-buddism not zen) and gold brocaded lavender popery?

Nope. Not at all. Be whoever you are. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. [shrug]

haha "it was then in the corridors of MinZen as Winston felt the bullet enter from behind he realized, he truly loved Angel Fairy's"

Irrelevant. But then, not having read the book, you wouldn't know that.

What if i don't like your rules? hehe EVERYONE RUNS!

What rules are those? To not create deliberately unhappiness in others such that they cannot walk away? I mean... That's really the only rule. And if you break it, nobody will play with you any more. Geez. What's so tough about that?

Also more to the point you don't really cover how we move from now, the complex system which is required to assure that the LIMITED wealth of the planet and humanitys LIMITED production potential are distributed in a way which allows the society to continues to function and thus humanity to continue progressing towards an eventual tech utopia, if indeed it's possible.

Only in your mind... YOU didn't read the book. Again, in all politeness... Shut up.

If we want to get to the point that everyone can have what they desire then we need SCIENCE SCIENCE SCIENCE, this means we need to become far more honest with ourselves and far more pragmatic in out lives.

True. And that was the point of my book. Well. Again I have to point things out that you would have gotten if you had just taken the whole ride.

This means dropping nonsense psudo-science and logical fallacy from our mind, admitting how hard life is and how imperfect humans and the universe are and we need to be more open to science, learn to understand it -don't fear it, don't leave it to others, we all need to understand it or we're never getting anywhere good.

Yes... My point. Except the part about "imperfection." I am perfect. I am the perfect Me. You are perfect. You are the perfect You. The Universe is in balance overall.

Just curious... What is "pseudo-science" - in your mind?

[edit on 2/9/2009 by Amaterasu]

I wanted to drop you a line to say thank you for making that available for us to read.

It was a wondrous read and I will be passing it along to friends and family if you dont mind.

Thank you

Silver

Originally posted by S1LV3R4D0
I wanted to drop you a line to say thank you for making that available for us to read.

Most welcome. [smile]

It was a wondrous read and I will be passing it along to friends and family if you dont mind.

LOL! Don't MIND!?! Hahaha! That is exactly what I am HOPING will happen! Yes, yes, yes! By all means! Share and share widely!

Thank you so much and I am glad you found it worthwhile.

reply to post by Amaterasu


Wow i knew that by admitting i had skimmed through certain long winded and overly mawkish sections you would say i missed the point, i didn't expect it to be the main focus of EVERY line you wrote in reply. For the record i read #most# of it the first half word for word then i started scan reading and skipping pointless sections -sorry i've read A LOT of poor sci-fi i know which bits to skip. I still understood your arguments, plans and reasons.

Ok, the gender bias - I could deluge you in feminist essays, Grear has a good one which springs to mind but i won't bother i'll just assume you know that many women found it really insulting that all the major characters were men while women played only vapid bit parts in most text - You have done the same in reverse, but that's probably only because you're building yourself a ideal society, everyone in it is you (or a plastic Ken doll) which is the crux of the problem for me -the world is more complex than that, we aren't all you.

Sorrry that you took my post as an all out attack, it wasn't but i understand it was hard to take nicely, i did after all 'attack' your work - i undertand why you would tell me to 'shut up' so many times. I would shut up but then you keep spamming other threads demanding people read your book so i feel like you've almost invited me back to speak some more of my opinion. hehe do people tell each other to 'shut up' in utopia?

All those books i mentioned, indeed the main problem is Scarcity - however the focus of the society is to deal with scarcity, they all have a society designed to provide a horn of plenty but alas they all describe the problems within this... the stone in the hand in Logan's Run is often seen as a metaphore, it's about limiting our access to the share of resources -we each get a certain time in the sun but it's not enough for anyone, EVERYONE RUNS i.e. everyone trys to take more than the fair share...

Now Star Trek has an actual solution to this, the federation gathers space rocks which provide mass amounts of power which can then be used to power the replicator which creates items people want, as long as you don't mess up everyone else life you can have what you want.

This is why i said star trek was like your idea, but then you were being to defensive to see that -i understand.

Now Star Trek is about a billion years in the future, they are developing towards being a type 3 civ - WE, right back here in history are almost a type one -we don't have infinate power or replicators -thus we still have scarcity.

Your book covers how to install a surveillance society and puts it in individual hands, how to trade when money is ended and why you should only do things you love -however you never once mentioned who is making the flying ships, who gets the stuff from the ground, who makes the power to power them, etc, etc, etc.

Ok and finally, my point with the battleship wasn't that i was going to attack anyone i was just picking something you would find ugly, offensive, etc -hehe i considered a giant neon S&M Club in the shape of a penis too - the point being that not everyone is you, not everyone will coexist in peace - We have 6.8billion now, with no economic reasons for having less children and no reason not to plenty of people will find 'bliss' in having large litters, octomum will become dodecamom or centimother - Thus over population will rise massively (this happens in logans run, soylant green, etc and causes the main problems)

So a world with trillions of people all jostling for space and finding 'bliss' in big battleships, floating forests, steampunk submarines, etc -how is the ecosystem going to cope? Where does the power come from, Sol only sends us so much....

In short, you have a nice vision for the distant future but that's not going to help us get there - we live in a type zero world and face type zero problems, if you're going to spam world solutions, how about helping us reach type one first? We need to sort out our governments, our greed and ourselves before we can move into floating zen gardens.

Telling everyone that they can just stop worrying about scarcity won't help anyone, and filming everything that happens isn't as simple as you make it out -to start with we don't even have the tech for that yet, invasion of privacy, pedos, faked recordings (ALWAYS possible), criminals will know to shoot from behind, etc, etc, etc.

Oh well, hope this gives you some food for though.

I thought that there might be some interested in looking at what I have posted over at Colbert Nation... So here's the link:

forum.colbertnation.com...