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Could the hidden knowledge of history really be just this simple?

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posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 12:57 AM
Some really interesting insights here.

The Freemason tradition goes back at least to ancient Egypt and likely further into the recesses of unrecorded history.

Understandings of not just materials but the mathematics involved in edifice construction, engineering, mass distribution, stress tolerances, etc.

There was an appreciation of the nature of size and shape as important factors in the containment and distribution of energy flows within, affecting objects and living forms. A pyramid has a very different energy configuration from a conventional rectangular shape.

Some of the knowledge was lost in the Industrial Revolution as speed and cost effectiveness replaced the more subtle aspects of construction.

The social club calling itself Masons today with the secret handshake, etc - is a vestige of a once sanctified tradition. Conspiracists trace malign influences that are not really there, something conspiracists do best.

As there was no King Solomon and the the fabled multi-acred Temple as described in the Old Testament, we can only guess at it's roots. Egyptian pyramids were the most visible and enduring manifestations. But the tradition apparently goes back at least as far as 10,000 BC if not further. The Sphinx might have been the first Freemason megaproject.

Mike F

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 01:07 AM
Maybe we should forget everything we know about math, for at different levels of reality, math seems to be different from what we experience. Maybe that is sacred geometry. Infinity and Cymatics are a good start (And I highly doubt it is "new agey") Look into alchemy as well, that is where I am headed and into dreams. Why would anyone want to go into depth about these kinds of things? Its not like this information is hard to find, we would just be repeating what we learned and have known to be in ourselves all our lives. Maybe it's just crazed intuition. I think I'll stick with Holy Doubt xD. Here is something that you or others may find interesting.

Microcosm & Macrocosm

Cymatics (Part 1/3)


A video from the link above:

Google Video Link

NOTE: My first post

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 01:38 AM
Oh what a great topic.. I believe that the ancient secrets, if you so call them, are delivered to us in fragments everyday even in modern culture. I love ancient symbols and in my quest to gain insight into ‘what it all means’ they have been a great tool. One of these symbols of interest is the Flower of Life, yes from the Tree of Life. The first representation of the Flower of Life was found in Egypt: I like to think of the flower as being the apple from the tree of knowledge described in the Bible. You can also see the geometry in place, also referred to as the “Royal Art” be held by only those of the greatest prestige.
Think of the triangle, a symbol that is everywhere and in every ancient culture which all agree that the triangle pointing up represents masculine force, fire, power and the triangle pointing down represents water and the feminine power – combine the two and you have the Star of David.
If you observe the images of Baphomet (Masonic symbol) you can see a balancing structure of both genders and, once again, the two triangles.. Anyhow, the Flower of Life is represented throughout history and I believe it is at the root of all evil so to speak. The Eye of Ra, yes folks, The All Seeing Eye of God has its origin in Egypt and truly has nothing to do with the Christian God. I try to sum it all up as when you remove the flower from the tree of life you are simply taking the fruit. I don’t believe most Masons are evil, just the higher levels who never share their secrets until you have reached the point of no return. Trace the symbols – they tell the whole story but it’s not a good one so be prepared..

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 02:19 AM
reply to post by SS,Naga

You are very welcome naga

I do have alot more to say but the people get fedup with the way i talk LOL

thats why i dont bother so much..

But this is a great topic so i had to try again

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 03:18 AM
Do you want to know the secret of all ages?

The hidden secret is alchemy. It originated from Egypt, the land of "Black Earth."


1362, from O.Fr. alkemie, from M.L. alkimia, from Arabic al-kimiya, from Gk. khemeioa (found c.300 C.E. in a decree of Diocletian against "the old writings of the Egyptians"), all meaning "alchemy." Perhaps from an old name for Egypt (Khemia, lit. "land of black earth," found in Plutarch), or from Gk. khymatos "that which is poured out," from khein "to pour," related to khymos "juice, sap." The word seems to have elements of both origins.

The builders of the great cathedrals of the middle ages were all alchemists, and they were also masons. Many of the stained glass windows are made according to the ways of the alchemist, and are quite special.

What if I told you the secret the Templars possessed was the secret of transmutation? How else do you think they amassed so much wealth? Why were they so brutally eradicated by the Roman Catholic church?

What if I told you the secret of Rosslyn chapel was also the secret of alchemy? Rosslyn chapter is an absolute masterpiece of craftsmanship, and could have only been designed and constructed by the highest adepts. The very name is a code to initiates of the art. It tells a great secret to those that can decipher it's real meaning. It's not rose line either - as Dan Brown would have you think.

If the Freemasons still maintain any of this knowledge then it must only be privy to the highest of the order. However, something tells me it has indeed been lost.

I kid you not. It is the secret of secrets, the most sacred knowledge, the work of the Holy Grail, and our most sacred Royal Blood.

[edit on 7-2-2009 by Aleilius]

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 03:43 AM

Originally posted by whitewave

Also, you mentioned a relationship between geometric shapes and sound. I've been trying to find information on this subject for a while but can only find allusions to it in a few writings; nothing comprehensive.

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 03:49 AM

ok slayer WTF was that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :

/goes to watch again and again and again


posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 03:57 AM
reply to post by Aleilius

What do you think the Holy Grail is? The blood of Christ, hidden from those who would destroy it.. Ummm.. What was transported by the 'TRUE' Templers through the dessert? The ‘REAL’ tempers were put to death but the morphed hungry deformation of the original group lived on throughout history to become what we now know.

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 03:58 AM
reply to post by theresult

There are reasons why certain things should be best kept secret

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 04:01 AM
reply to post by SLAYER69

Ok this is going to sound nutts!

but did they just make an EYE on what we view as prespective using soundwaves or was that just me???

think "tunnles".. just keep looking at the center of it with the sound down..

btw that scared my cat

them shapes are well ... amazing..

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 04:05 AM
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For six days the army would circle the city once while the priests blew their ram's horns. The priests with trumpets went first, then the priests which carried the Ark of the Covenant, then the army. The only sound would be the sound of the horns; no one could speak a word. Then on the seventh day, they would circle the city seven times in the same manner, and then when Joshua gave the signal, they would shout with a great shout.

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 04:08 AM
reply to post by SLAYER69

I dont think the world will ever be ready..

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 04:10 AM

Originally posted by falcon
Dealing in the area of what u.s and other government's really want from the scientific community also from a would be or might be alien culture is MMM. Or Meta Morphic Matter, as of right now real high level tech that's developed by military R@D uses MAP Tech to most people that would sound like just a standard map you could by at your local store.

MAP as it's used by Military R@D stands for Moleculary Allined Partical. This is super science so the only way I can discribe it is imigine the bond movie where 007 has that ring that shatters glass with the right ultra low frequency emitter in the ring.

Now imigine a MAP building brick as discribed above you can build on such as buildings or houses that with the right frequency you emit the building evaporates into dust or something close to it. A house constructed by Military R@D Map tech can be torn down with nothing but a emitter and theres no evidence it was ever there but a pile of dust.

Nano tech isnt the same thing its a different matter because a MAP partical's and the resorces that go into making them are not the same thing a super base uses MAP Tech to discise itself out in the open when looking as your every day average object that in reality is sometimes a spying device and sometimes something more.

I dont know though if the partical science division ever finished using map science to try to make a ufo.

Thats my 2 cents for now.


posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 04:16 AM
reply to post by SLAYER69

For all things that have sound - listen to the .wav file here for eruption sounds.. creepy..scroll down..

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 04:19 AM
reply to post by akjen

The Holy Grail is the blood of Christ, but it is meant to be an allegory. The whole story of Christ is wrapped in alchemical dogma, and is only visible to those initiates of the art.

Please refer to this image:

[edit on 7-2-2009 by Aleilius]

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 04:29 AM
reply to post by rockhndr

The secret is even simpler than you think, it's simpler than what the op assumes, sacred geometry is part of it, I can tell you this much, one piece of sacred geometry, the most obvious part to me is the Golden rectangle, but you don't need to know everything about the Golden rectangle to understand the simple truth beyond it. The simplicity of the masonic secrets are unknown to most masons, the secret is the repeating of ceremonies that get you to a certain height of understanding, if you don't understand what your doing while performing the ceremony the ceremony will only serve as a means to teach others that hopefully will finally understand it, there are those that understand it, and I would guess this is the minority, if those few that do understand it don't privately or openly teach their gems of wisdom to someone the true meaning will be forgotten, it will never be lost all together but will remain a secret of secrets among most. I can't tell what the secret of secrets is out of respect, due to the diverse beliefs at these forums it would likely be mocked and called an untruth if I were to say what it was.

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 04:40 AM

Originally posted by omnicosm
... Look into alchemy as well, that is where I am headed and into dreams.

Indeed, thank you for mentioning this. However, the secret is not just "psychological alchemy" taught by Jung & other cohorts, but it is indeed a real work. It encompasses both physical matter, and spiritual fire. It is the allegorical touch of Midas and his Golden hand.

Originally posted by Razimus
reply to post by rockhndr

... if those few that do understand it don't privately or openly teach their gems of wisdom to someone the true meaning will be forgotten, it will never be lost all together but will remain a secret of secrets among most. I can't tell what the secret of secrets is out of respect, due to the diverse beliefs at these forums it would likely be mocked and called an untruth if I were to say what it was.

Sacred truths were not meant to be openly revealed. Most often those who revealed such things would be cast out and condemned by the wise.

Do you know the reason why the Master Mason was killed? It's the same reason why the Templars were massacred.

[edit on 7-2-2009 by Aleilius]

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 04:42 AM
reply to post by Aleilius

Yea.. I know what the blood of christ represents...In truth the literal sense is so in your face I can’t believe the misrepresentation; but what gives? The whole idea re the hunt for the holy grail is quite disgusting..

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 04:42 AM
The Freemason society for all its mystery and secrecy is basically a (non specific) religious charity, based on brotherly love and good deeds; I am well on my way to being a master mason and the symbolism is to do with strength of character and support of others in need. Although I like reading ATS I do find some of these posts amusing as the only mystery with Freemason societies that I can see is how they get anything done by committee! No great secrets as yet but if there where I could not tell you anyway :-)

It’s all on Wikipedia if you are interested and there are women lodges though perhaps not in your immediate area.

posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 04:46 AM
reply to post by Aleilius

Why would they be condemned by the wise if the wise were but sheep themselves? As if the wise had more power than the meek – ludicrous!

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