Survival in the city, or survival in the wild?, page 4
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reply posted on 13-2-2009 @ 09:38 AM by reluctantpawn
So much comes down to what you know and are comfortable with. While an Inuite may die from starvation in what I see as a land of plenty, I would die of exposure in the arctic. Learn about what you wish to do. Be prepared no matter the situation, and as I have said so many times never become a refugee.

In the city you will have to deal with starving hordes and a possible lack of food. Diseases like plague will kill many people. Travel will be extremely limited and you will probably have issues with government regulations.

In the wild you may not have the people to deal with, but can you really find food in all the seasons of the year? [I am very well versed in primitive living and survival and know there are times when food is not available.] You will also have to deal with issues such as clean water and disease. Here we will see cholera, dysentery, giardia, and cryptosporidia to name just a few. These will kill even a strong man if not treated quickly and properly.

There are pros and cons to both sides as I have tried to state. It can be done either way. What many people just don't realize is that civilized people in a primitive world are going to die en mass. Much of it through no cause of their own. Hunger, disease, infection, exposure and violence will decimate the land in both situations.

We are not equipped with the skills to live as our forfathers once were. We must remember that the rate of attrition was much higher and sometimes even simple things would take a life. It will be no picnic for anyone even those as well versed as I.

respectfully

reluctantpawn


reply posted on 14-2-2009 @ 11:26 PM by telemetry
reply to post by citizen smith



Hrmmm... a "bug in bag" is an interesting idea that I haven't ran into yet here. With all of the talk of "BOB's" that show up on here, this simple concept could be a very valuable asset for anyone unfortunate enough to be living in the metropolitan areas.

Many people here show a desire to "get away" if we get a total SHTF incident, but lack the ability to get to an area remote enough.

Say you live in a highrise, or in a not to nice neighborhood. Unless you plan on barricading yourself in your residence, you had better be armed to the teeth. The man next door might be. In that situation, the street smart people will be ahead of the game. IMHO.

Short of a total zombie outbreak ala 28 days later, a good shoulder-carry backpack or ruck with a good loadout would suffice, methinks. Drop in some tools, rations or what have-you's and go. ?

Here is a simple list of possibilites.

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1.) regular school style backpack, in non obtrusive color scheme. Like the kind you get from the mega-store. (Pretty common in bigger cities, lots of pack wearers)

2.) Map. Preferably with street names. (I will explain this later)

3.) Tools. Nothing too elaborate, a good multi-plier or better yet a fencing tool. Channel-lock pliers to wonders in twisting doorknobs if you get what I am saying. Obviously it could be said that a good thing would be a lock-pick set. If gaining entry to foreign places is your desire. (I would spare the power tools for that alone)

4.) Weaponry and defense. A roofing hammer would do nice, and serve as a #3 as well. (Thanks to Citizen Smith for that idea)
A good knife, choose your flavor. Other things come to mind... maybe a collapseable baton? Might be a good idea to stick to compact and deadly things, close quarters combat could be expected, and likely.

5.) Sustenance. Some energy bars, bottles of water and a way to purify the water you find. I don't know much of procuring food in the city... if it came down to it. Outside of illegal means, but there are alot of pidgeons and rats. It's possible right? A small pop-can stove might be good also.

6.) First aid. Get a good kit, and get proficient with places to refill it. Hospitals would be swamped in such times, stick to the neighborhood pharmacy. Antibiotics could come in handy. Sanitation/Sterilization means is a good idea also.

7.) Clothing. If you are gonna be out running around, take a couple of pairs of socks... at least. Only carry enough to keep you light and fast. Climate will dictate.

I'm sure there could be alot more, but most of all... plan an escape (whether streets or wilderness) This is where the map comes in handy. Case out the spots and highlight the areas of opportunity. Learn the surroundings and blend in, as that is crucial.

I'm gonna hit the reset button on my brain and try to delve a little deeper with this idea, right now all I can think of is Mad Max...

Keep it
T minus


reply posted on 15-2-2009 @ 02:00 AM by telemetry
reply to post by SonOfChaos



Yeah, it would take some bad mofo's indeed. Clint Eastwood style.

I wonder if I was... I would take anything available for the taking, that is if I was a city dweller. Glad I'm not.

I just thought of one thing...
Rope, and the knowledge of rappelling and vertical rope work might be nice. Dangerous too... going high up could be a tactical advantage.


Hrrrmmm...
T-Minus



reply posted on 22-2-2009 @ 09:09 PM by Kamaqazi
reply to post by reluctantpawn



The best advise of survival in urban city right there


reply posted on 17-5-2009 @ 05:16 PM by Walkswithfish
After a long journey across the country, and taking time to prepare as well as inform myself on as much as I can I am convinced that preparing for survival in the wild is the better option. It is literally a matter of time before a combination of very dangerous things may cause a "worst case scenario"

The economic slide is continuing, thousands losing jobs weekly, few or no new jobs or opportunities are being made available. Water shortages are often overlooked and will be a significant problem in the western USA soon, the state of California appears to be the first and possibly worst in what will likely be a domino effect across the nation. Urban chaos is going to happen unless there are some miracles.... These issues among others are more than enough reason to be "prepared" you do not want to be trapped in an urban area when it finally all breaks down... Despite all efforts to prevent this it is already happening, especially in areas where unemployment is already greater than 25% and is growing, areas in California that are already hit particularly hard are now facing water shortages when the state has already warned it may prevent the use of water for agriculture... Add that to an already dire situation and you can begin to see the inevitable.

The economic situation on a global scale is much the same, perhaps worse depending on nation and location etc. I have personally seen enough to motivate me to be prepared for the worst some months ago, though I had never imagined that on top of all of this that we'd also be dealing with a potential pandemic.

If H1N1 does mutate and come back in the fall, adding itself to an already collapsing economy being prepared for survival alone may not be good enough... You should also consider a plan to escape the urban environment all together... Being away from the cities and towns and being prepared to live at a safe distance for an extended period of time could be immensely important to your survival.

My friends I am not a fear monger, nor do I wish only to post negativity here, I am simply stating my personal opinions based on my own research and observations... The times that lie ahead could ultimately be the greatest test of human survival skills EVER.

It is still possible that through the printing of massive amounts of money, endless bailouts of industries and financial institutions and the creation of vaccines ALL of this can be avoided.

Are YOU willing to do nothing in the hope that it all works?

Best of luck to all.



Consider bugging out before the bug gets you!


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