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posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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I completely agree.

This cop is a perfect example of what they SHOULD be doing. When answered with it was his right to film him - he said okay.

The officer was very good with the gentlemen in the video. It was the man in the car refusing to follow the law - not the cop.

I have seen some abusive police videos, but this one is nothing.

Keep up the work officer.




posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 12:26 PM
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OMG there are some un informed people on this thread...Here's the deal. I was a police officer in a command capacity. With regard to the video, the guy shooting the video is an idiot creating a problem where there is none. Regarding all the comments about police procedures...
1. If you believe an officer has done you wrong to the degree of infringing on your rights and breaking any laws you have several avenues of recourse. You can contact his supervisor, and work up the chain of command. If you do not get satisfaction from this, you can contact the State's department of justice. You can also contact your local grand jury.

2. about police responding to calls in "different modes"...NO...you are either responding in an emergency capacity with your emergency equipment (I won't go into the issue of when a siren should/shall be used) or you are obeying the traffic laws PERIOD. There is no in between. Code 1,2,3 BS...And believe me I have sped to many "events" in what we jokingly called in the business code 2.5...when you are speeding to something (often meal break) with out your emergency equipment on.

3. About police turning their backs when another officer is handling a call because of "protocol"...Ask the officers involved with the Rodney King beating what "vicarious liability" is. If you stand around and take no action you are liable and will be punished.

And before all the police haters on here flame me...Yes I know there are bad cops out there. And maybe video taping some of them doing real wrongs to society would be worthwhile. But annoying a border cop is juvenile to say the least.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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I dont want to flame cops in general and not you eighter.
But i like to point out the recent thread where a person tries to file a complaint against a fellow cop and he has a very hard time and even gets threatened by some of them.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by ANNED
In Calif if you have to call cops on cops for city cops or county sheriff's you call the state highway patrol.



Uhh, no. State police have no more power than county sheriffs, just as county sheriffs have no more power than local police. The only difference is the areas they patrol. Local police patrol local municipalities, the county sheriffs patrol areas of the county that are not incorporated into any town/village/city, and the state police do all of the above but tend to stick to state land like highways.

In fact, the reverse is true, local police in a way have more "power" than state police. If there is a crime under investigation and the state police are the first responders, they almost always turn over investigation to the local police and let them handle it. Because it's their jurisdiction first.




If you are "assaulted" by the police, you don't call the cops on the cops, that's not how it works. You call their department and talk to their supervisor and file a complaint or sue the police department.


My brother is a deputy for the county's sheriff department. One time he went into the DMV (in full uniform, off-duty) and the egomaniac security guard in the DMV didn't like how my brother had his gun on him and told him to remove it or the security guard would forcefully remove it. My brother laughed and said "go ahead and try to disarm me and I'll arrest you for assault on a peace officer and trying to disarm me." The security guard said "Ok that's it I'm calling the police on you." and my brother laughed, pointed down at his badge and sarcastically said "Wow, looks like the police are already here!" The security guard shut up real quickly...



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 12:44 PM
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This may not be the forum for it but I have to say something right here and now. There are so many people that are against the police and or any authority solely for the purpose of being against authority. For gods sake people...Police are not your enemies. Most police are people who got into the career field because they have a desire to help people. Police are people that like to do a lot of the same stuff as you and me, hunt, fish play golf and other normal stuff. We even complain about our elected officials like everyone else. And remember, police officers do not create the laws...They just try to enforce them. So please quit bashing cops just for the purpose of bashing them.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 12:48 PM
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Howdy.
I did not just pull that out of thin air, I asked this question of one of my sheriff department friends years ago, and that is how it was explained to me. They have various codes, and go to the call according to the code level. Often they don't use anything when inside a neighborhood, especially late at night, as they don't want to cause a disturbance, for example. They do have to hit their lights to blow through a red traffic signal though, and often shut them back off on the other side. I observed two officers late one night, heading home from working the local sports stadium, who were racing each other and blowing the lights. When they almost hit me I called to complain to the dispatch center and was basically told the exact same thing. There is apparently some conflict with this, and maybe it goes down to various state laws or individual department procedures.



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by PhoenixDemon
 


Howdy.
I did not just pull that out of thin air, I asked this question of one of my sheriff department friends years ago, and that is how it was explained to me. They have various codes, and go to the call according to the code level. Often they don't use anything when inside a neighborhood, especially late at night, as they don't want to cause a disturbance, for example. They do have to hit their lights to blow through a red traffic signal though, and often shut them back off on the other side. I observed two officers late one night, heading home from working the local sports stadium, who were racing each other and blowing the lights. When they almost hit me I called to complain to the dispatch center and was basically told the exact same thing. There is apparently some conflict with this, and maybe it goes down to various state laws or individual department procedures.


Police vehicles are emergency vehicles in the same class as ambulances and fire trucks, and as such are exempted from traffic laws. They can speed, go through red lights, go through stop signs, etc, and they aren't breaking any laws because the law does not legally apply to them.


The only difference is police vehicles are further exempted from needing to have their lights and sirens on. Ambulances and fire trucks are only considered emergency vehicles while their lights and sirens are on. Police vehicles are considered emergency vehicles 24/7 by law. This is because of the nature of how police work is. If there's a bank robbery in progress, and the robbers hear a police siren and see flashing lights in the distance, are they going to stick around? No, they are going to run away before the police even arrive. When an ambulance is going to a house, it's not like the person who is sick/injured is going to run away because they hear an ambulance siren and see an ambulance coming in the distance. Simple logic here.

When you see police officers speeding, going through red lights, etc, 9 times out of 10 it's because they are going to a call where they want to remain silent, which is actually most calls (since police's job is going to crimes in progress, not going to sick people.) The other 1 times out of 10 is just because you have an immature cop who wants to speed just because he can, usually younger cops.



However it does vary by state and department, but generally the above is true almost anywhere.




[edit on 8-2-2009 by DrJMengele]



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 05:44 PM
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posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
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Police are allowed to speed without their lights or siren on. There are three different modes that they are told to go under when preceding to a call; both lights and siren, Lights only, and neither. ...

No. The "silent run" is illegal in almost all states. It absolutely **is** illegal in Indiana. The police officer MUST have on either 1) Lights and sirens, 2) Lights, or 3) Siren.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 04:22 AM
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Originally posted by sir_chancealot

Originally posted by defcon5
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Police are allowed to speed without their lights or siren on. There are three different modes that they are told to go under when preceding to a call; both lights and siren, Lights only, and neither. ...

No. The "silent run" is illegal in almost all states. It absolutely **is** illegal in Indiana. The police officer MUST have on either 1) Lights and sirens, 2) Lights, or 3) Siren.


I believe this is the case in most places.
So cops have to respect traffic rules to in most cases, i think we are just realy used to it that they dont.
This way it might look like they are allowed but are they realy ?



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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Actually. You are wrong. Police who are not on a call or in pursuit are required, by law, to obey all traffic laws like any other vehicle, specifically because they are the DMV or Public Safety Office's Ambassador's. So, if they are caught horse playing or breaking the law, either while off duty, or not on call or not in actual recorded pursuit, they are subject to obey the traffic laws and be courteous driver's, just like me and you. But, good luck with that "they can do what they want" law. Demographic Exemption, too, has it's limits. We aren't in a dictatorship, yet.
BTW: If the Officer pulls you over and his parking lights were not on when he clocked you, as the onboard computer will register, it is entrapment, and you are free of the ticket. Same for their other lights, if they are not on while in pursuit. And, as far as lights go. If they lose sight of your lights, like say, clearing a hill, it officially ends that pursuit. And if you are doing the limit, when they regain sight of you, guess what, it is a new pursuit by definition, therefore double jeopardy rules prohibit you for being convicted of the first pursuit which they failed to resolve to conclusion. Learn History, and the Law, so, you are not doomed to repeat or suffer it.



[edit on 9-2-2009 by PhyberDragon]



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 03:16 AM
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I would have acted in the same manner as the person in the car. They have no right to do such things. You can say he made it worse on himself, but he shouldn't have to do such things in the first place.

It is an illegal search and seizure period. 100% harassment.

They are just using the illegal alien part as an excuse. Made obvious because the checkpoint officer even stated they were looking for other things.

If they actually gave a crap about illegal aliens, they would be protecting the border and stopping them from getting in to begin with, rather than letting them come across freely and then harassing all citizens as a result.

I've driven through those things, but never been stopped or talked to at all. Probably because I'm white.

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posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 07:05 AM
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Originally posted by badmedia
I would have acted in the same manner as the person in the car. They have no right to do such things. You can say he made it worse on himself, but he shouldn't have to do such things in the first place.

It is an illegal search and seizure period. 100% harassment.


It's not illegal and they do have the right. Can you provide a link to any laws which say that it's illegal for them to do it? Do you honestly think they would be doing it out in broad daylight to thousands of people every day if they couldn't do it legally? It would open the government up to a huge lawsuit.




Originally posted by badmedia
They are just using the illegal alien part as an excuse. Made obvious because the checkpoint officer even stated they were looking for other things.
Yes, obviously they are looking for other things. I don't want drugs, weapons, and other contraband coming in as well.



Originally posted by badmedia
If they actually gave a crap about illegal aliens, they would be protecting the border and stopping them from getting in to begin with, rather than letting them come across freely and then harassing all citizens as a result.


Easy to sit at your computer in a comfy chair saying things should be done. Actually doing them is much harder. Why don't you join the border patrol, at least for a temporary amount of time just to see first hand how much work they actually do? You might be surprised. They stop thousands of illegal immigrants from coming into the states every day, and recover literal tons of drugs every day from smugglers, and enough weapons to fund a private army. The problem is for every thousand illegal immigrants coming in that they catch, there are a thousand more.

It's easy to say "stop them from coming in." But let's do some simple math. The southern border is about 700 miles long. There are 5280 feet in a mile. Now let's assume that you would need a guard placed along the border about every 500 feet during the day when visibility is good and you can see farther. So that's 5280x700=3,696,000/500=7,392. So you would need 7,392 border patrol guards stationed on the border at any given time, to fully cover the border and protect. Obviously a guard can't be there 24/7, so let's assume they work 8 hour shifts. That's 7,392x3=22,176.

So to effectively cover and protect the border, you will need to hire 22,176 border patrol guards. Now get back to me when you find 22,176 people in America who are fit, active, and have no criminal history, who want to be whisked away to the southern border into the hot desert away from their families. Not so easy now, is it?

And that doesn't include the night. You would obviously need much more guards during the night because of lower visibility. Let's say one guard every 50 feet on the border. That's 221,760 guards.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 07:13 AM
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The ones to call are the U.S. Federal Marshal's office, they are in the book. And you are tight about not letting a cop search your person or your car without a warrant, the cops always try to do this if they suspect anything. If they order you out of the car, get out and lock the door behind you. If they say anything about calling in drug dogs, tell to do their worst, but that you are quite aware of your rights, and are no afraid to bring action against any wrong doing. Ask the officer if his family will suffer financial hardship if he loses a lawsuit... The main thing is to always act respectful, never yell or curse, and keep both hands in plain sight.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by DrJMengele

It's not illegal and they do have the right. Can you provide a link to any laws which say that it's illegal for them to do it? Do you honestly think they would be doing it out in broad daylight to thousands of people every day if they couldn't do it legally? It would open the government up to a huge lawsuit.


Maybe you could provide a link to documents showing that these border patrols are allowed to stop and search you in a situation simular to the examples provided.
Its always hard to prove a negative i believe.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by badmedia
I would have acted in the same manner as the person in the car. They have no right to do such things. You can say he made it worse on himself, but he shouldn't have to do such things in the first place.

It is an illegal search and seizure period. 100% harassment.


Ok let me point out something that you and the others in support of this bozo are missing.

1. The guy is LOCKED inside his vehicle.

2. The guy barely has the window open.

3. The guy is videotaping with at least 2 cameras.

4. The guy is behind other traffic.

5. The other traffic seems to move along rather quickly.

6. The guy INSTANTLY gives the officer hassle.

7. The guy REFUSES to answer 1 simple question.

8. The guy IS infringing upon the rights of the other drivers behind him.

9. The guy IS interfereing with official border patrol business.

10. The guy IS NOT purposely delayed by the officers..he is delaying himself by refusing to cooperate.

11. The guy is causing an unecessary delay to everyone, officers included.

12. The guy is causing the problem from the begining..his videos PROVE that.

13. No where in ANY of the videos this guy published shows ANY officers doing ANY search and seizures.

14. His videos shows drivers in front of him not having any problem and are waved right on through.

15. This guy ends up delaying the entire process and everyone by up to 10 or more minutes every time he runs into a border patrol checkpoint.

16. This guy, and others who support him, simply do not understand that illegals do NOT sit at the border just waiting for the border patrol to come to them.

17. This guy, and others who support him, have NO IDEA about Cyote Pyote's, a group of people who smuggle and transport illegals once across the boarder and drop them off into various cities and towns ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. These people make anywhere from 1,000 dollars to up to 10,000 dollars to smuggle illegals.

18. These Cyote Pyote groups wait out in the middle of God's open country on dirt trails and roads, waiting for these illegals, load them up and then drive mostly on state roadways, rarely going on major highways. It is that reason why there are more border patrol checkpoints along state roads than on the major highways.

19. The U.S. Border Patrol has jurisdiction across the ENTIRE country, which gives them the LEGAL authority to be able to capture, detain, and deport illegals no matter WHERE THEY ARE CAPTURED.

20. The U.S. Border Patrol was recently requested by the American public to increase their patrols and checkpoints to capture illegals. They are doing excatly that!


Do we all get it now? This is not any matter of the officers infringing on any rights whatsoever. They are doing a job requested by the American public. They cannot man every 10 feet of border line crossing that exsists and out in God's open country. Not even the entire military compliment could cover every square inch of border. To expect a handful of border patrol agents to be able to cover thousands upon thousands of square miles of open territory to catch illegals is a wet dream.

So they set up checkpoints at key locations where the smuggling traffic is known or suspected to be occuring.

They have been doing this for decades folks. DECADES!!!



Originally posted by badmedia
They are just using the illegal alien part as an excuse. Made obvious because the checkpoint officer even stated they were looking for other things.


Part of the U.S. Border Patrol's duties are to also look for drug smuggling, which if you paid attention, a majority of the drugs that come into the US are from the south. Some of these illegals that are packed into vans and the back of sub compact cars have baggies of dope or coke shoved up their you know what. So yes they will be looking for alot more than just illegals.

Now does a typical police officer's duties limited to just catching crooks and purse snatchers? No. The U.S. Border Patrol is not just the country's border police, they are also the country's nationwide police to capture illegals, drug smugglers, Cyote Pyote convoys, and anything else that is illegal under the law that extends from border to border.



Originally posted by badmedia
If they actually gave a crap about illegal aliens, they would be protecting the border and stopping them from getting in to begin with, rather than letting them come across freely and then harassing all citizens as a result.


As I have stated about 20 times now, the illegals DO NOT bounce happily go merry at the border crossing where there are tons of traffic, cops and border patrol officers. They come across the border in God's open country, often hundreds of miles from ANY civilized populated area, where they meet up with their waiting ride to be smuggled into nearby cities and towns. And once again, there simply is not enough man power to put an officer every 10 or even 100 feet of border line across the entire south or north to catch them.

Try to be realistic here, not fantasy.

They do not harass citizens at all. They ask one simple question in a courteous and professional manner. Those videos of this idiot proves that.



Originally posted by badmedia
I've driven through those things, but never been stopped or talked to at all. Probably because I'm white.


90 percent of the time they will just wave you through. I am from New Mexico, from a town called Alamogordo. I used to drive south on US 54/70 to El Paso every weekend to go party with friends I know there. There are two border patrol checkpoints along that state road. The first one is about 20 miles north of El Paso, the second one is about 50 miles further down the road. There have been numerous times that they would just wave me on by, and times where they actually have ALL drivers come to a stop, and ask that one single simple question, then let the drivers proceed.

And this would happen at BOTH check points. No where, at anytime was I feeling like I was being infringed upon or my rights violated whatsoever.

This is more about the chips on people's shoulders and showing their lack of smarts than anything else. That guy's videos PROVES it in every single one of them. Not a single one of his videos demonstrates to us that those officers are harassing anyone, illegally holding anyone, or searching anyone.

The only one that is holding anything is that idiot who is holding up traffic, and holding up the officer's job. And his videos PROVES it.



Cheers!!!!



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by DrJMengele
It's not illegal and they do have the right. Can you provide a link to any laws which say that it's illegal for them to do it? Do you honestly think they would be doing it out in broad daylight to thousands of people every day if they couldn't do it legally? It would open the government up to a huge lawsuit.


4th amendment.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.



Yes, obviously they are looking for other things. I don't want drugs, weapons, and other contraband coming in as well.


Again, against the constitution. You are harassing many more innocent people than you are stopping drugs and so on. Not to mention, social crimes shouldn't even exist in the first place, and is a big cause for why cops are seen as the enemy among the public.





Easy to sit at your computer in a comfy chair saying things should be done. Actually doing them is much harder. Why don't you join the border patrol, at least for a temporary amount of time just to see first hand how much work they actually do? You might be surprised. They stop thousands of illegal immigrants from coming into the states every day, and recover literal tons of drugs every day from smugglers, and enough weapons to fund a private army. The problem is for every thousand illegal immigrants coming in that they catch, there are a thousand more.


Actually, I am also ex-military and they would send people to do border patrol. I've heard many stories. They aren't serious about it at all.



It's easy to say "stop them from coming in." But let's do some simple math. The southern border is about 700 miles long. There are 5280 feet in a mile. Now let's assume that you would need a guard placed along the border about every 500 feet during the day when visibility is good and you can see farther. So that's 5280x700=3,696,000/500=7,392. So you would need 7,392 border patrol guards stationed on the border at any given time, to fully cover the border and protect. Obviously a guard can't be there 24/7, so let's assume they work 8 hour shifts. That's 7,392x3=22,176.


How many people do we have guarding the borders in Iraq? 22,176 is but a crumb. Iraq has between 100k and 150k soldiers, enough to do the job 6 times over.




So to effectively cover and protect the border, you will need to hire 22,176 border patrol guards. Now get back to me when you find 22,176 people in America who are fit, active, and have no criminal history, who want to be whisked away to the southern border into the hot desert away from their families. Not so easy now, is it?


You are just making excuses. They have people available. Such would be a great job compared to some of the stuff I had to do in the military. Ever had to get in the back of an 18 wheeler filled with trash and dump it out looking for things like batteries and such all day long? I have.



And that doesn't include the night. You would obviously need much more guards during the night because of lower visibility. Let's say one guard every 50 feet on the border. That's 221,760 guards.


Actually, with night vision goggles, especially ones that read infrared it's easier to find them at night than in the daytime. When I was in the military using the scopes on a M1A1, I could see deer and such all the time through a forest.

You are just making excuses.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by RFBurns
Ok let me point out something that you and the others in support of this bozo are missing.

1. The guy is LOCKED inside his vehicle.

2. The guy barely has the window open.

3. The guy is videotaping with at least 2 cameras.

4. The guy is behind other traffic.

5. The other traffic seems to move along rather quickly.

6. The guy INSTANTLY gives the officer hassle.

7. The guy REFUSES to answer 1 simple question.

8. The guy IS infringing upon the rights of the other drivers behind him.

9. The guy IS interfereing with official border patrol business.

10. The guy IS NOT purposely delayed by the officers..he is delaying himself by refusing to cooperate.

11. The guy is causing an unecessary delay to everyone, officers included.

12. The guy is causing the problem from the begining..his videos PROVE that.

13. No where in ANY of the videos this guy published shows ANY officers doing ANY search and seizures.

14. His videos shows drivers in front of him not having any problem and are waved right on through.

15. This guy ends up delaying the entire process and everyone by up to 10 or more minutes every time he runs into a border patrol checkpoint.

16. This guy, and others who support him, simply do not understand that illegals do NOT sit at the border just waiting for the border patrol to come to them.


None of which would have happened if they hadn't been infringing on the rights of people in the first place. Sorry, this is not Nazi Germany.



17. This guy, and others who support him, have NO IDEA about Cyote Pyote's, a group of people who smuggle and transport illegals once across the boarder and drop them off into various cities and towns ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. These people make anywhere from 1,000 dollars to up to 10,000 dollars to smuggle illegals.

18. These Cyote Pyote groups wait out in the middle of God's open country on dirt trails and roads, waiting for these illegals, load them up and then drive mostly on state roadways, rarely going on major highways. It is that reason why there are more border patrol checkpoints along state roads than on the major highways.


And? Has nothing to do with his rights being infringed on.



19. The U.S. Border Patrol has jurisdiction across the ENTIRE country, which gives them the LEGAL authority to be able to capture, detain, and deport illegals no matter WHERE THEY ARE CAPTURED.


Was the guy illegal? So they were just harassing someone because they were exercising their constitutional rights. If you got a problem with the constitution, then find another country to live in.



20. The U.S. Border Patrol was recently requested by the American public to increase their patrols and checkpoints to capture illegals. They are doing excatly that!


LOL!!!!! American public asked for this? No. They asked for the borders to be secure, and they asked for no Amnesty. I'm part of the American public, and I never asked for the constitution to be ignored. Congress and the former president have approval ratings under 25%, so your American public excuse is laughable at best. As if the politicians really care what the people say. If the American public got what they asked for that bailout bill wouldn't have passed.

www.npr.org...



But many people who live in nearby towns oppose the permanent checkpoint. They say that even the temporary ones just force smugglers off the highway and into their communities. Nan Walden, a lawyer and pecan farmer, is part of a study group that looked at existing permanent checkpoints, like one near Laredo, Texas.

"We talked to people that have lived with checkpoints for 30 years," Walden says. "The crime, the smuggling, the violence is increasing. It's a no man's land between the border and these checkpoints and they keep moving the checkpoints north."





Do we all get it now? This is not any matter of the officers infringing on any rights whatsoever. They are doing a job requested by the American public. They cannot man every 10 feet of border line crossing that exsists and out in God's open country. Not even the entire military compliment could cover every square inch of border. To expect a handful of border patrol agents to be able to cover thousands upon thousands of square miles of open territory to catch illegals is a wet dream.

So they set up checkpoints at key locations where the smuggling traffic is known or suspected to be occuring.

They have been doing this for decades folks. DECADES!!!


Cool, so does this mean after the 5th person Jeffery Dahmer killed it was ok? Afterall, it's not like it was the first time he had done it. As it turns out, it doesn't matter how long you've been doing wrong, it's wrong the entire time.

Again, if you don't like the constitution you are free to leave the country.



Part of the U.S. Border Patrol's duties are to also look for drug smuggling, which if you paid attention, a majority of the drugs that come into the US are from the south. Some of these illegals that are packed into vans and the back of sub compact cars have baggies of dope or coke shoved up their you know what. So yes they will be looking for alot more than just illegals.


Ok, only problem is - they aren't on the border. I'm not even going to get into the farce called the war on drugs. It's a joke in itself.



Now does a typical police officer's duties limited to just catching crooks and purse snatchers? No. The U.S. Border Patrol is not just the country's border police, they are also the country's nationwide police to capture illegals, drug smugglers, Cyote Pyote convoys, and anything else that is illegal under the law that extends from border to border.


And yet before you were saying they can't handle the border, but now suddenly they have the manpower to do this across the entire country? All the while ignoring the rights of the people?



As I have stated about 20 times now, the illegals DO NOT bounce happily go merry at the border crossing where there are tons of traffic, cops and border patrol officers. They come across the border in God's open country, often hundreds of miles from ANY civilized populated area, where they meet up with their waiting ride to be smuggled into nearby cities and towns. And once again, there simply is not enough man power to put an officer every 10 or even 100 feet of border line across the entire south or north to catch them.

Try to be realistic here, not fantasy.

They do not harass citizens at all. They ask one simple question in a courteous and professional manner. Those videos of this idiot proves that.


Sorry, but the constitution and law of the land states that any such stops and things is against the citizens rights. You can't go around this, nor is the government allowed to pass any laws that infringe on a right. This is part of the bill of rights.

I guess as long as the people are robbing you in a polite manner it is ok? I guess as long as the cop is polite as they search your house without a warrent it is ok? Don't think so.

If these were people entering the country, I'd not say a word. But these are not just people entering the country, these are citizens going about their lives.


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posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 09:36 AM
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The kid in the first video infuriates me.

I'm betting a million to one he acts the same way towards people in the service industry when he doesn't get what he wants the moment he wants it.

People like this are the reason I can't work in that industry anymore. I might flip out and toss hot coffee in their faces.


What a little punk. Starting up with an officer just to make a little youtube video of "the Man". What a joke.



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