Originally posted by bigvig316
You know not all the Bush and Chaney did was bad. The fact that we never had another 9/11 is proof that some of the policies that they endorsed helped to protect us. They did what needed to be done at the time in order to make a more secure nation. And if Chaney is going to give a warning it should be takes seriously. Besides who is Keith Olbermann to tell any one to go away. We can say the same about his leftist views. What if Bill O'Reilly said the same thing about a democrat?

How many 9/11 happened before Bush and Cheney got into office?

that logic works well with my elephant deterant.
I put an elephant deterant out the back and it seems to be working because I havn't seen any elephants yet.
I also come from a country without native elephants, but we do have zoos and circuses and they can get out.

WooT!! olbermann is off the hook i love this guy the media need more like this guy so the truth can be spoken i have been hooked on his show for around 6 or so months very enjoyable.

Originally posted by bigvig316
What I was trying to say that since nothing has happen to America since 9/11 should be some proof...

Should be, in your mind. Unfortunately it isn't proof of anything. There are too many other explanations that would fit. I favour the one that says, there wasn't another 9/11 because Dick couldn't pull off another one - although the missing Minot nuke is a worry.

So, for it to be "proof", it would have to be the only explanation that fits the facts, and if you look at the other posts, you'll see that there are other possibilities.

You might also note that two countries were invaded on a pretext but OBL was never caught. Iraq didn't have WMDs, and Afghanistan didn't refuse to hand over OBL, they just said they couldn't find him: well, the US has been in Afghanistan for 7 years now and done no better. Which anyone could have predicted, of course.

So why did the US invade those countries again?

Oh, and while we're on the subject of the successes of Cheney's turn at the helm, how 'bout those anthrax attacks? Anyone get caught for that? They narrowed it down to someone from Fort Detrick (having said the words "foreign terrorists" over and over until everyone fell asleep) and then... nothing.

And johnSky and Dimensional Detective - you both made me laugh pretty hard - I gave you stars, little enough really but all I could.

And what about the anthrax attacks?

Originally posted by bigvig316
This is my view on torture. It isn't right but is something that we are going to have to accept because they just aren't going to give up information willingly. And who are we trying to kid about torture. It goes on in American prisons. How many times we hear about a confession being beaten out of guy or people being put in the hole and given half ration to be given time to "think" about things. Or making a inmate exposed to a rape gang until he flip and they move him to different quarters. Until we get rid of torture here in our prison systems and on our own citizens, the pow in GITMO should come second. Besides when we close GITMO now next year, where are these prisoners going to go. Some place like Yemen where the torture they could receive would be worse than water boarding.

As I'm going into criminal justice, I can tell you torture does NOT work. You want to get into their head, play a little good-cop/bad-cop routine, offer a lighter sentence, show why the other side is wrong, believe me, if it works on the HARDEST of mobsters, it can work here. You know why some authorities say they NEED to use torture? Because they enjoy it, I know, I've worked with some of these deranged *snip*. And most of the ones who enjoy it are corrupt, take bribes, or are involved in other violent crimes of their own. Nice balance.

You realize too many of those in Gitmo were given to us by the Northern Alliance; a gang with as bad a reputation as the Taliban. They were paid for each person. Nice incentive on being honest.

And to 'accept it', let's get rid of the ban on cruel and unusual punishment too. Or create massive camps. How about allowing detainment based on race?


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Olbermann can make sure the job gets done by being Mr. Cheney's personal escort. I'm quite frankly sick of his tirades. It was entertaining to see him channel Howard Beale for the first few dozen or so "special comments"... but special comments are only special when they're rare. His rants, regardless of whether factually right or wrong, fall on deaf ears because once the stage trick is revealed through overuse, it ceases to be entertaining and begins to sound like incessant whining.

The pity of it is, without this all-too-obviously false intellectualist outrage - the guy falls flat on his face. He's just not likable. Not entertaining. Which is all pundits are... mindless entertainment. They're not news... they're someone's opinions of news stories. You can get that through general human interaction (well, maybe not a genuine opinion) and at least have someone to respond to you. With a pundit, you get no input or interaction on their opinion - so it becomes preaching. You know where I'm going with this... and I know you see the mindless "dittoheads" on both sides of the false dichotomy of "Left" and "Right" spouting their favorite talking heads opinions as if they're quoting scripture.

I want to cuss now. For god's sake, stop listening to these people!!! Isn't this exactly what Howard Beale was ranting about in that movie... and now, he's being used as a character archetype that ultimately only serves to further kill unique and individual thought.

Olbermann should win a Peabody award for best use of irony.

I would like to point out that if you STILL think that Bush was a bad president, You obviously don't know anything about politics.

I know this because all I ever see is from Bush haters is:

-Complaints about 9/11
-Ohhh the Economy ( If you did a little research you will find that Economy's Boom from times of War )
-People whining about the death of soldiers in Afganistan and Iraq. You know what.. those soldiers knew what they were getting into when they signed the dotted line.

I never see any valid arguements because people just repeat what CNN says ... OHHH If Olberman said it, IT MUST BE TRUE OMG!

Olberman is a wack job, how can anyone take him seriously.

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I just love how Republicans who spout this garbage of how Bush protected us after 9-11 just happen to forget the anthrax attack that killed people and to this day have zero information on what happened.

Oh and not to mention how 9-11 happened on their watch.

Neo Conservatives are frankly not apart of this reality but instead live in Rush La La Land.

Waco, Texas- Branch Davidians, anyone.
I seem to recall, while Clit-on was CIC, he had a BBQ, and didn't invite Bush, or Chaney. I also recall a paltry few American children were at the BBQ...a good time was had by all.

Can any one tell me the crime committed by the BDs, or thechildren who were tortured?

Take care in your words on torture- water or fire- which would you prefer happen to yours?

Wake-up! It matters not who occupies the White House- we are at risk from all of them.

I thought he was moving to Dubai with Haliburton to run the new headquarters!
Seriously funny thread