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Russia plans to start up Iran nuclear plant in 2009

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posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:27 PM
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Russia plans to start up Iran nuclear plant in 2009


www.haaretz.com

Russia plans to start up a nuclear reactor at Iran's Bushehr plant by the end of the year, the head of Russia's state nuclear corporation said on Thursday.

The move is likely to stoke fears over Iran's suspected intention to build atomic weapons. Iran insists that its nuclear program is for purely civilian purposes.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:27 PM
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Russia started delivery of nuclear fuel to the plant in late 2007 and deliveries were completed last year. Russia and Washington agree importing fuel makes unnecessary Iran's own plutonium enrichment project - the main point of Western concerns.

The launch of the Bushehr plant's nuclear reactor has frequently been delayed, ever since work began in the 1970s.

Russian and Iranian officials have given different dates for the start-up and the two sides had a row in 2007 over what Moscow said were major payment delays.

Russian nuclear officials say the plant cannot be used to build nuclear weapons. Russia has tried to push Tehran to be more open about its nuclear program but has warned the West against pushing Iran's leaders into a corner.


Ever wonder why Iran's nuclear weapons program was increasing at an exponential rate?

Ever wonder how they got their nuclear stockpile of centrifuges?

Now you know why. To the Russian apologists, I ask what you have to say for yourselves now. Is this more capitalism? Why would you knowingly support the other people just because they don't like the the west or our government? These people are supporting madmen like Ahmajenidad.

The Russian government has gone mad. Russia can no longer be trusted. I can see why they would not want the missile defense system in place. They don't want us to be able to prevent Ahmejanidad from firing a missile into Western Europe, Israel, or to preven them from firing missiles into Eastern Europe.

Russia is a supporter of terrorist regimes like Iran, which in turn, supports other insurgents in Iraq and other places.

I believe we can now say Russia is a supporter of terrorism. I don't think they are foolish enough to not think that Iran wouldn't try to create a nuclear weapon, otherwise, in my opinion they are too trusting.

It's sad what the rest of the world has come to just because they don't like the Western Democracies, or say, our government.

www.haaretz.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 5-2-2009 by Frankidealist35]



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 11:06 PM
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You sir have gone mad.

You watch too much main stream media and belive all the horse crap they feed you, no wonder your so deluded to belive Russia is supporting terrorists etc...

First charge I ask you to prove is, how is Iran terrorist (not some media propeganda, but hard evidence and proof to back up your claim).

Second, where is your evidence Russia is helping Iran with anything other than the building of a reactor?

Finally why do you think Iran does not have the right to build nuclear reactors, when the only people to ever detonate a nuke bomb on a living populace, was the USA, yet they have many reactors?

Bring some hard evidence forward and again not just media sensationalism and propeganda (which you probly will bring forward, giving there is little else you will find on the net!).

Anyway, Israel is so hell bent on being the only nuclear power in the middle east, they are more than likely going to try and cripple or destroy Irans nuclear program before it is up an running! Leaveing the USA on the brink of ww3 when they have to intervine to finish Israels botched job.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 11:29 PM
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I think Frankidealist35 gets a little confused with certain things like, It was America that first introduced the idea of Nuclear power to Iran with the "Atoms for peace program" in the 1950's.
Also the US was a part of the The 1953 Iranian coup d'état which over threw a demacratically elected goverment.

the US helped fund Iraq in it's war with Iran and then we discover years later that Iraq is the enemy with links to terrorists.

The US also funded the Taliban in it's war with Russia and then it turns out that the Taliban are also the terrorists.

And suprise suprise, what are the odds of American involvement in south Ossetia.

I think the OP better take a look around and see who has had more dealings with terrorists and terrorist organizations and quit calling the old catch phrase "the reds under the bed"
Because there aint no room for the reds anymore, too many US operatives hiding under there now.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 11:43 PM
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Yeah, the OP needs to take a breather.
There comes a point when you dig far enough into potential issues, that you run out of light to see with.

Iran is to be given a reactor.
Not weapons.

(And no, you can't make a nuclear bomb with nuclear fuel.)

This might be the safest way to ensure they are obtaining energy plants rather than weapons. Russia is probably doing this to make sure of the same thing.


And remember, Russia isn't the USSR. They aren't out to get you... they're just another country like everyone else now.


The way they see it, the rest of the world is unwilling to do much of any trade with Iran at the moment because the US practically forbids it.

The world is questioning whether Iran wants to develop nuclear weapons instead of nuclear power plants. If Russia gives them the power plants, Iran has no need to continue it's nuclear research... ergo, no more paranoia.

What's in it for Russia? They just delayed world war 3 by removing a potential excuse for the US to steamroll over yet another country for expansion purposes.



You know, like when two of your friends are bickering, and the short mouthy one tries to pick a fight with the larger friend... you typically would step in and tell the short mouthy one to shut up and pass him a beer to keep him quiet.

It's a loose analogy, but that's essentially what's going on here.

[edit on 5-2-2009 by johnsky]



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 11:55 PM
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Do you know that the U.S. is one of the few countries that DOESN'T reprocess nuclear fuel?

"Nuclear waste" isn't waste... it's plutonium and uranium and atomic fragments. The centrifuge forces the plutonium to separate so it can be reused as more nuclear fuel.

Having centrifuges is a long way from having the technical capabilities to build a plutonium bomb.

It means they aren't dumping their spent fuel rods... they are recycling.



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:01 AM
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The US does recycle the rods
They shoot them out of tanks in far off lands



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:02 AM
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Right, but Iran is the nation saying they'll wipe out Israel.

Wouldn't you be a bit hesitant to give a nation that wants to wipe out another nation a nuclear reactor?

It's called common sense people.



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
Right, but Iran is the nation saying they'll wipe out Israel.


Is that false quote still floating around?

Israel made a threat to launch an invasion into Iran on supposition, an Iranian politicians response was to the effect of "If you send forces into Iran, we'll wipe them out.", and "I hope their party collapses" Basically a message of; we have the right to defend ourselves, and we will... and keep this up and your people won't vote you back in.

Unfortunately, media outlets in the US don't speak Persian very well.


It was Israel that made the threat, not Iran.

Quite frankly, if someone wanted to attack my country without moral reason, I'd want to see their forces wiped out too.


Now, if you want hard evidence on Iran's regional intentions, just look at their military history. They haven't stepped foot outside of their borders militarily since the old days of Persian empires.

The last people they fought? Iraq... because Iraq tried to invade during Saddam's rule. What did Iran do? Held the border, and pushed them back.
Did Iran retaliate by invading Iraq? Nope.

Clearly Iran's intentions in the region is to simply get by. If they wanted to start invading and starting wars, then they've certainly waited an abnormally LONG time to try it.



Right now I'd be taking a long hard look at the US and asking yourself, why are they taking such offense to a middle eastern country getting a power plant that most of the rest of the world uses without being questioned?

[edit on 6-2-2009 by johnsky]



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:16 AM
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Do you have proof?

Legitimate sources?

As far as I'm concerned Iranian President Ahmajenidad has always been saying he's wanted the Israeli government to collapse.

Israel feels provoked by them, and, they should They've been surrounded by hostile nations for their entire history.

They can't trust Iran. But, I don't see how you can deny that Ahmejnidad has said statements condemning Israel in the past, saying that he wants the Israeli government to collapse, or, that he said it will happen.

Lots of people want the Israeli government to collapse so they can form an independent state of Palestine. I believe Ahmejenidad has this stance and position with his foreign policy to Israel.



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:26 AM
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reply to post by Frankidealist35
 


If you don't want to be surrounded by hostile neighbours, try being nice instead of Building up nukes and pre emptive strikes on neighbours.



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:32 AM
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Haven't you heard that Obama wants to reduce our stockpile of nuclear weapons by 80%?

Not all of the people in our nation are warmongers.

Anyhow, I'm talking about Israel here not our government, please be on topic.



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by munkey66
 


Haven't you heard that Obama wants to reduce our stockpile of nuclear weapons by 80%?

Not all of the people in our nation are warmongers.

Anyhow, I'm talking about Israel here not our government, please be on topic.


So was I

I was replying to your comment about Israel being surrounded by hostile neighbours.



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by johnsky
 


Do you have proof?

Legitimate sources?

As far as I'm concerned Iranian President Ahmajenidad has always been saying he's wanted the Israeli government to collapse.


Oh, so now you change your argument from Iran making a threat, to the president not liking Israel very much.

Last time I checked, not agreeing with a countries foreign policy isn't exactly grounds for war. lol.

No, your ORIGINAL argument was Iran threatened to wipe Israel off the map, and that's the one I'm going to attack here and now.


As for your "Proof and Legitimate sources."
Yes, I actually have quite a few...

Here's one to start with...



"Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because no such idiom exists in Persian," remarked Juan Cole, a Middle East specialist at the University of Michigan and critic of American policy who has argued that the Iranian president was misquoted. "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."

NY Times
I also have two more from that source... but why bother.



Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation—"wipe Israel off the map"—suggests a military threat.

- Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis University, re-quoted in "The Explanation We Never Heard"
Literary Review of Canada

Notice he didn't go after Israel, or it's people... he wishes the current regime would fade away.



Speaking at a D-8 summit meeting in July 2008, when asked to comment on whether he has called for the destruction of Israel he denied that his country would ever instigate military action, there being "no need for any measures by the Iranian people". Instead he claimed that "the Zionist regime" in Israel would eventually collapse on its own. "I assure you... there won't be any war in the future," both the BBC and AP quoted him as saying.

(That last one was a response to the misquote, not actually evidence.)

For the sake of not making an excessively long post, if you want more of the dozens of sources I have here, you'll have to U2U me for them.
I've got quotes from BBC, AP... and a bunch of ones from middle eastern news sources, but I'll spare you those ones.
CBC, and I believe one from NBC, but I can't seem to locate it at the moment.

Why do I have all these quotes? Because too many people keep repeating that same fake quote.

Care to concede that maybe you've been misinformed?

I must warn you, I have no objections with publicly humiliating people by proving them wrong repeatedly.



[edit on 6-2-2009 by johnsky]



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:47 AM
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Here I would disagree with you.

I believe that Ahmejenidad does wish for Israel to go away. He would want the same even if the current regime wasn't corrupt in any way shape or form.

Ahmejenedad is using rhetoric to make it not seem as bad that he wishes for the current government to leave. He would prefer a pro-Palestine, pro-Arab group, and, as far as I'm concerned with him denying the holocaust he would rather not have them there at all.

Politicians lie. You are aware of this aren't you? Ahmejenidad is no different than others.



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
Here I would disagree with you.

...

He would prefer a pro-Palestine, pro-Arab group, and, as far as I'm concerned with him denying the holocaust he would rather not have them there at all.

Politicians lie. You are aware of this aren't you? Ahmejenidad is no different than others.



Yes, politicians lie... unfortunately your disagreement is still based solely on personal opinion.

One can have no evidence on a persons intentions based solely on what kind of a guy you think he is.

So this is where the argument ends... as usual, with both parties still in disagreement.


However, a warning, I wouldn't attempt to claim he threatened to "wipe Israel off the map" again if I were you. You'll end up looking rather sheepish if the listener also knows what he actually said.

[edit on 6-2-2009 by johnsky]



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:57 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:58 AM
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reply to post by Saf85
 


I think I've adequately ridiculed him enough, don't you?

No need to start making enemies for nothing.



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:59 AM
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reply to post by Saf85
 


So I'm a disinfo agent for having opinions different from yours?

This is what ATS has degenerated into?

I rest my case...



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 01:32 AM
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A funny tidbit here....in the 80's Iran paid the US and Germany like 4 billion for the building of nuclear facilities to enrich uranium for civilian energy purposes. The US and Germany took the money.....and then never built the plants! Then we made a treaty with Iran that they stop their nuclear program, and in return we would given them all the EU they needed for their energy program, so Iran stopped production for two years.....And the US never sent a single shipment to Iran!

We are such liars, that its a wonder any in the world still respect our word or enter into business with us.




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