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Girl: 'Mom cooks me in the oven like a turkey'; Hamtramck woman arraigned

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posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 08:24 PM
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After telling police that “Mom cooks me in the oven like a turkey,” a 4-year-old Hamtramck girl and her four siblings are in foster care and their mother is facing years in prison on torture charges. Advertisement Reyna Valentino, 40, went to a neighbor’s house after burning the girl in the oven at 3:30 p.m. on Jan. 23, begging the neighbor to call police. “It’s really sad,” said Mamun Roshid, 16, a neighbor who arrived home from school that afternoon to find an ambulance in front of his house after Valentino knocked on his family’s door.



I can't for the life of me understand how this can happen? What is WRONG with people? Those children should be removed from the home and the parents never to be able to get them back. This disgusts me to no end! Those poor kids. Read the rest of the article for more, if you can stand it.




posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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that;s an insane story! I can;t even start to understand!

There must be something terribly strange and wrong in the world when people snap like this.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 08:53 PM
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Meth? Antidepressants?

That is all I can think.

The chemical version of demonic possession.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 08:58 PM
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The article said that social services had been out to the house before on other occasions, but did not see it necessary to remove the 5 children, evidentally.

This isn't the first time of abuse/torture for these kids.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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There is no excuse for this kind of behavior. Drugs or whatever, no excuse at all. This lady should go to jail and stay there for life.

Its time the law put the hammer down on these people. No mercy, no remittance, no parole, no sympathy. Lock em up and weld the door shut.


Cheers!!!!



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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This may not be as it sounds. It may have been an accident. How many of you look in the oven before you pre-heat it? I bet very few. The kid could have got in by her self and could not get out when it got turned on. My sister put some of her plastic dishes from her doll house in the oven playing like she was cooking. Some time later my mother turned the oven on and had the house fill full of smoke from melted plastic. So you show always check to see what is in the oven (or anything else for that mater) before you turn it on. This could have been some kind of accident or it could have been a Hansel and Gretel deal with the mother playing the witch. I look forward to hearing more about this case.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 09:06 PM
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This was not an accident. If you read the whole article you will see that the mother heated up a screwdriver or something similiar with hot metal and purposly burned the kids eyelids before she put her in the oven.

Here'e the quote from the link I posted in the original post.
www.freep.com...



While the father had gone to pick the two boys up from school, Valentino used either a nail or a screwdriver heated over the stove to burn the 4-year-old girl’s lower eyelid. Then she put the girl in the turned-on oven, creating sear lines on her back from the oven’s interior.


[edit on 5-2-2009 by Clark W. Griswold]



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 09:08 PM
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That doesnt explain the burn under the girl's eye. I dont think its that easy. This is a 4 yr old..why would a 4 yr old make up a story like this?


Cheers!!!!



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 09:12 PM
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Cooking her like a turkey. Wtf. Mental Instability comes to mind, but as asmeone2 said, probably meth. or maybe some dust. but if its been ongoing, yeah meth or anti depressants sound like the culprits.

These are the kinds of things which just make it harder to accept that humanity is not losing it. Whatever "it" is, its being lost pretty quickly.

What can be said, or done? this is one of those times when you just sit back, and breathe. It left me speechless. Heck, i'm in denial over this. If drugs weren't involved, then that makes it worse. At least with drugs theres an excuse, albeit a poor excuse, but at least something was inhibiting rational thought.


Love and Peace



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by Clark W. Griswold
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This was not an accident. If you read the whole article you will see that the mother heated up a screwdriver or something similiar with hot metal and purposly burned the kids eyelids before she put her in the oven.

Here'e the quote from the link I posted in the original post.
www.freep.com...



While the father had gone to pick the two boys up from school, Valentino used either a nail or a screwdriver heated over the stove to burn the 4-year-old girl’s lower eyelid. Then she put the girl in the turned-on oven, creating sear lines on her back from the oven’s interior.


[edit on 5-2-2009 by Clark W. Griswold]


Ok, you got me there. I tried to read the whole thing but the link would not work for me. I tried it 4 or 5 times and it would not work from my computer. Any one have another link for the story for me.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by RFBurns
There is no excuse for this kind of behavior. Drugs or whatever, no excuse at all. This lady should go to jail and stay there for life.

Its time the law put the hammer down on these people. No mercy, no remittance, no parole, no sympathy. Lock em up and weld the door shut.


Cheers!!!!


i disagree, but in a friendly way

i say bring back the firing squad, if she really put her kids in a oven that was turned on

1 bullet and this whole situation can end, no need to put her in prison for life and cost us the taxpayer tens of thousands of dollars!



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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I Googled it and found a link that worked. That is just plain sick. Maybe I was hoping that some one would not be that sick as to do something like that when I made my first reply. That is just sick.



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 04:51 AM
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do they have the mom on videotape putting her child in the oven then turning on the temperature for an extended period of time?

or do they have an adult corroborating the 4 year old child's claim?

just wondering..

I think you should too before you go all bat-crap crazy like the bloodthirsty mob like you sound like.


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posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 05:01 AM
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Silly naive me (about drugs) - but can someone tell me why meth would cause a mother to do something like this?
I can understand a meth addict doing many horrific things to pay for their habit, etc - but what reason is there behind cooking a child?
Does meth just make you freak?
If so, why continue using?
Is it an addiction that starts from the first *taste* (ingestion of the drug) - a substance that hooks you so badly the first time you can’t stop?
If so that is so flipping scary I can’t even imagine someone being tempted to *try* it...horrors...

Hopefully this woman will get the help she needs, while the children are kept safe and sound...

Reading the article I see Social Services had some contact with the family previously.
Thank God we didn't hear about this one too late!
Sounds like for once Social Services won - good on them.

peace



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 05:02 AM
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The girl is recovering in the hospital from burns all over her back. And you want a video showing the mother putting the little girl into the oven for proof????





Cheers!!!!



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 05:05 AM
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Yeah this is sad and bad, but no one died.
People have psychiatric problems we all know that.
Its just a great result in this case that no one died.
This woman is most certainly mentally ill.
And I think that people who want to abuse and kill the mentally ill, are also mentally ill.
She should not have been caring for children, and I would assume someone picked up she was not quite right some time ago.
But people just don't care anymore and go about there own business.
Selfishness and ego takes over now.



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 05:06 AM
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Like any drug, it (meth) can have different effects on different people. Ive seen pictures of meth users that show them using knives to cut at their faces, and have read testimony from ex meth users who would do things like climb radio towers and jump from 30 or more feet onto the ground and bust up both legs.

I would have sympathy for this lady if she put herself in that oven because she was all strung out on meth, but to put her little girl in that oven....no..wont get any sympathy from me at all.



Cheers!!!!



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 07:05 AM
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Originally posted by RFBurns
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The girl is recovering in the hospital from burns all over her back. And you want a video showing the mother putting the little girl into the oven for proof????





Cheers!!!!



yes

I want every bit of evidence undeniably pointing to the criminal that actually did this to the child.

with the amount of people being freed decades after false imprisonment, and people actually dying in prison after falsely convicted..

I want unquestioning definitive proof that what the child says is complete truth before we start relishing the fantasies of the mother's punishment.

know what makes me more sick than the fact that these things happen?

is the ripple effect of sickness it causes in us, the masses.

you're not going to personally do anything to change that this sort of thign happens, are you, reader? so why let this sort of information affect you negatively?

thats not to say, be a numb unfeeling person, but you CAN CHOOSE on how it affects you... and not let the sum of all the horrors that are published in the news daily, affect your outlook on life, and turn you into a nasty vengeful person who would do equal or worse to the perpetrator.

it's just turning you into more and more of an animal.. story by story...
hatred.. vengeance.. bloodthirst.
its true.. look at your own mind in how you react to these stories.

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posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 07:14 AM
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Though I can only speak for myself, I wouldn't say some of us have hatred or a bloodthirst for vengeance.

Personally my thoughts are that such a woman is clearly imbalanced and should be put down as a rabid dog is put down. Death is not punishment in this case, but release. She is clearly unstable, and can never be released. The most humane thing to do would be to put a bullet through her head and be done with it.

Some people have doubts about the death penalty, as they ask "Who are you to decide who should live or die?". My response is that sometimes it isn't even a decision... its obvious.

So again, its not bloodthirst. Its just a calm conclusion based on my own opinions and logic system.



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 07:22 AM
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Well I am sure that the social workers will release these kids back to that mother so she can set up a video camera to capture her deeds of putting them into the oven.


You must be one of them youtube believers and your mind is now morphed into the youtube addiction, needing a video for everything no matter how obvious the other evidence proves the case.

You dont need any video, neither did the judge and the doctors who examined this little girl's oven burns on her body.

I suppose your going to say that this little girl put oven burns on herself now.


What makes me sick about stuff like this is folks who think everything can only be proven by some video. Ignore the burn marks on the girl, ignore her testimony, ignore the doctor's medical expert report, ignore all the other evidence. All that is needed is a video.

Heck if there were a justice system based entirely on needing nothing but video for evidence, there would be a hell of alot of hard criminals out there at this very moment instead of locked up serving time or on death row.



Cheers!!!!



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