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Enough is enough, what is going on with Israel?

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posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 09:16 PM
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The Arabs of the British controlled Sinai region have been engaged in an attempted extermination of Jews in the region for close to 100 years, well before the creation of Israel in 1948. Rarely talked about is the active collaboration with the Nazis.

Below is a summary of the Palestinian history of genocide


www.freerepublic.com...

" ... the true start of the Arab-Israeli conflict can be dated to 1920 and the rise of one man, Haj Amin Muhammad Al Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem. As grand mufti, al Husseini presided as the Imam of the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, the highest Muslim authority in the British mandate.

History shows Al Husseini to be a brutal man with aspirations to rule a pan-Arabic empire in the Middle East. He rose to prominence by actively eliminating those Jews and Arabs he considered a threat to his control of Jerusalem's Arab population, and he heavily utilized anti-Jewish propaganda to polarize the two communities.

In 1920 and again in 1929, Al Husseini incited anti-Jewish riots by claiming the Jews were plotting to destroy the Al Asqa mosque. The riots resulted in the massacre of hundreds of Jewish civilians and a virtual end to the Jewish presence in Hebron.

The 1936 Arab revolt against the British is believed to have been at least partially funded by Nazi Adolf Eichmann, and Al Husseini again ordered armed Arab militias to massacre Jewish citizens.

When British authorities finally quelled the rebellion in 1939, Al Husseini fled to neighboring Iraq and helped to orchestrate a 1941 anti-British jihad. As in Jerusalem, the British successfully put down the rebellion and Al Husseini fled to Nazi Germany.

Al Husseini found the Nazis to be a strong ideological match with his anti-Jewish brand of Islam, and schemed with Hitler and the Nazi hierarchy to create a pro-Nazi pan-Arabic form of government in the Middle East.

Dr. Serge Trifkovic documents the similarities between Al Husseini's brand of radical Islam and Nazism in his book The Sword of the Prophet. He noted parallels in both ideologies: anti-Semitism, quest for world dominance, demand for the total subordination of the free will of the individual, belief in the abolishment of the nation-state in favor of a "higher" community (in Islam the umma or community of all believers; in Nazism, the herrenvolk or master race), and belief in undemocratic governance by a "divine" leader (an Islamic caliph, or Nazi führer).

The Nazis provided Al Husseini with luxurious accommodations in Berlin and a monthly stipend in excess of $10,000. In return, he regularly appeared on German radio touting the Jews as the "most fierce enemies of Muslims," and implored an adoption of the Nazi "final solution" by Arabs. After the Nazi defeat at El Alamein in 1942, Al Husseini broadcast radio messages on Radio Berlin calling for continued Arabic resistance to Allied forces. In time, he came to be known as the "Fuhrer's Mufti" and the "Arab Fuhrer."

In March 1944, Al Husseini broadcast a call for a jihad to "kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion."

On numerous occasions, Al Husseini intervened in the fate of European Jews, most notably blocking Adolph Eichmann's deal with the Red Cross to exchange Jewish children for German POWs.

Moreover, Al Husseini personally recruited Bosnia Muslims for the German Waffen SS, including the Skanderberg Division from Albania and Hanjer Division from Bosnia. The Hanjer (Saber) Division of the Waffen SS was responsible for the murder of over 90 percent of the Yugoslavian Jewish population.

SS leader Heinrich Himmler was so pleased with Al Husseini's Muslim Nazis that he established the Dresden-based Mullah Military School for their continued recruitment and training. In 1944, Hanjer commandos parachuted into Tel Aviv and poisoned drinking wells in Jewish communities in an effort to stir up ethnic tensions.

After the fall of Nazi Germany, Al Husseini fled to Cairo, Egypt in 1946 rather than face war crime charges for his actions in Yugoslavia. But he continued his operations.

In the late 1940s and early 1950s, Al Husseini worked closely with a pro-fascist group in Egypt called Young Egypt. In 1952 Gamal Abdul Nasser, a prominent member of Young Egypt, was among military officers who seized control of the Egyptian government from King Fu'ad. Al Husseini is reported to have been responsible for bringing Otto Skorzeny, the Nazi commando once labeled by the OSS as "the most dangerous man in Europe," into the employ of the Nasser government.

Similarly, Al Husseini had a strong influence over the founding members of both the Iraqi and Syrian Ba'ath party. Strong evidence exists that al Husseini was instrumental in the arranging of Nazi war criminal Alois Brunner's employment as an advisor to the Syrian general staff.

However, al Husseini's central role in the creation of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1964 is perhaps his most indelible mark on the Middle East today.

The radical Imam was the spiritual mentor of the first chairman of the PLO, Ahmed Shukairi, and saw that much of his ideology was instilled in the organization. More importantly, Al Husseini used his extensive connections to recruit financial supporters for the PLO throughout the Arab world.

Almost 30 years after al Husseini's death in 1974, the Palestinian people still revere him as a hero and embrace his radical theology. The "Arab Fuhrer's" close Nazi association and virulent anti-Semitism is perhaps the reason that Hitler's Meinf Kampf is ranked as the sixth all-time bestseller among Palestinian Arabs.

Several of his descendants remain active in Palestinian affairs today.

Al Husseini's grandson, Faisal Husseini, was part of the PLO since 1964 and served as minister without portfolio in the Palestinian National Authority, with responsibility for Jerusalem until his death in May 2001.

The radical imam's nephew, Rahman Abdul Rauf el-Qudwa el Husseini, has been a major player in Palestinian terrorism for almost 40 years. He was the guiding force behind the merging of the Fatah faction into the PLO. In 1990, Rahman Abdul Rauf el-Qudwa el Husseini was responsible for the Palestinian community's support of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait.

Most Mideast observers today recognize the younger Al Husseini by the secular name he adopted as his own in 1952, Yasser Arafat. "




posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 09:20 PM
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C'mon. Break out a history book. Do some homework. Determine what was said in the weeks and months preceeding the following dates:

1948-1949 - This was a publicly stated intent to wipe out Israel, and the countries who formed a coalition to wipe them out consisted of Lebanon, Syria, Transjordan (the name then), Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and an irregular force of guerrillas. The statement to the UN itself indicated they started the fight.

They got their asses kicked even though they drastically outnumbered the Israelis in men and equipment.

Look up 1956. Not that big of a deal, but you can make your own determinations.

1967 - for months, Egypt talked about the final destruction of Egypt that was coming, and forced the UN out of the buffer zone so that they could attack. This coalition as Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. Read all about it, but pay close attention to the weeks and months leading up to the war with the stated purpose of destroying Israel.

1973 - this time, they didn't make their announcement, and poured across the border. You can read all about this one too, and the trash talk from the Egyptians and Syrians after it began. They wanted and designed to wipe out Israel.

You get your facts, and then you come back and tell me who's designed to commit genocide against who.

It's all there, but you won't get it on the Arabic sources, nor the Arabic apologists.

Dig it out.

THEN tell me about who is trying to wipe out who!



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 09:42 PM
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That is OLD news. I could also state the same about the founders of Israel who stated repeatedly that their goal was to rid the land of every Palestinian. Zionists continue to state that. There is NO Genocide going on today. Hamas is proven to be ineffectual in regards to killing off Israeli citizens. Israel has been effective in ethnic cleansing, but Genocide is not happening.

Genocide would require significant numbers of Israeli deaths, along with the deaths of Jews around the globe. Neither is happening.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 10:45 PM
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Old news? You stated that there is no genocide of Jews. I just gave you examples of a stated plan of genocide. 1948, 1967, 1973. Do you seriously think anyone's really changed their minds?

Go back and read what they said they were going to do just prior to each of those first two dates!

Nothing's changed!

And going back to pre-1967 lines?

Never happen. It will never happen.

And if that's the "peace" criteria, then let the killing continue.

Screw that.

I won sixty dollars last week in a poker game.

I won it, it's mine, and I'm not giving back diddly squat.

Israel was attacked, they won that land, and now it's theirs.

Give it back . . .



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 11:54 PM
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If you want to understand more about what is going on is Israel, maybe you should look at information like what is on the website below. It is called "Jewish Persecution: Tool of the International Zionist Plan for World Dominion" by Jackie Patru

(www.) sweetliberty.org/perspective/jewishpersecutionintro.htm

There is also more books and other discussions about the truths behind Zionism on www.texemarrs.com as well. Needless to say, there is definitely more to the 911 attack than you were shown on T.V. If you bother to do the research, you will find that the propaganda you are/were getting on TV is not even telling you half the story. The Russians must marvel at the pro-Jewish propaganda in the USA.

P.S. Do you realize that it was a mainly a group of Jewish people that got us into Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place. They have names like Wolfowitz, Pearl, Leiberman, Kissinger (German Jew), Ari Fleisher, Rockefeller, H. Clinton (talked about her Jewish grandmother), Rumsfeld, Clark, Bush (I bet you still think he is a Christian. Beware of the wolf in sheeps clothing. His roots trace back to Jewish rabbis), etc. If you believe a small group of Moslems pulled off 911 by themselves, then you got a lot of research to do. You might start by looking at the evidence Alex Jones uncovered during his interviews with the janitor of WTC at the time as well as the Architects and Engineers for 911 truth (www.AE911. ?org? ?com?), etc. In short, those planes didn't cause those building to come down the way they did and the invasion of Iraq was planned long before any planes hit the WTC. It is called the Hegelian Dialectic in case you are interested. Seek and you shall find.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 01:06 AM
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Even The Israel Supreme Court has stated that it is Occupied Palestinian Territories.

Beginning principally with the 1979 Eilon Moreh case and extending to recent cases involving the erection of the security fence and the Disengagement Implementation Law, the Court has affirmed that Israel is indeed an Occupying Power in Judea, Samaria and Gaza and governs these territories by virtue of the rules of belligerent occupation.
Many Israeli citizens have also called for an end to the occupation. Many Jews outside Israel have spoken out against the occupation. It is only the hard line Zionists who refuse to negotiate for peace. Israel would stand virtually alone in any claim that the land is theirs as the number of nations agreeing that is it Palestinian occupied territory is overwhelming.

Israel only holds it due to US funding and weapons. That is not peace. If they try to hold it forever, they will never know peace as the Palestinians are not the only ones who are calling for an end to the occupation.

I get more and more worried that Iran will eventually get involved. They seem to be the most vocal about their anti Israel stance. The US wont be in Iraq forever and the balance of power in the Mid East is bound to shift over time. What happens when Mid East Oil is no longer so important? Will the US still care about the region and fund Israel? As you so correctly pointed out, Israel is a small piece of land surrounded by a large neighborhood of upset Arabs. Israel can easily hold them off today, but what about down the road? Simply sticking to your guns, is not peace. Making peace today by ending the occupation might be in their best interest in the long run. Unless of course they are simply hoping God will soon end the world and everyone goes to heaven.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 02:18 AM
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To support any Nation who commits atrocities against civilians by blogging or by using certain "word speak" to denigrate the victims is "Hate Speech" plain and simple and I accuse anyone who stands behind the ideals of slaughtering women and children then bull dozing their houses of being a racist who should be banned from places like this.

It is obvious that racist's like many on here who stand by and support Countries who commit crimes against innocent children must be censored as their hate is most sickening to many.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 03:48 AM
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Wait...both side are committing crimes? What exactly are you saying?



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
If you want to understand more about what is going on is Israel, maybe you should look at information like what is on the website below. It is called "Jewish Persecution: Tool of the International Zionist Plan for World Dominion" by Jackie Patru

(www.) sweetliberty.org/perspective/jewishpersecutionintro.htm

There is also more books and other discussions about the truths behind Zionism on www.texemarrs.com as well. Needless to say, there is definitely more to the 911 attack than you were shown on T.V. If you bother to do the research, you will find that the propaganda you are/were getting on TV is not even telling you half the story. The Russians must marvel at the pro-Jewish propaganda in the USA.

P.S. Do you realize that it was a mainly a group of Jewish people that got us into Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place. They have names like Wolfowitz, Pearl, Leiberman, Kissinger (German Jew), Ari Fleisher, Rockefeller, H. Clinton (talked about her Jewish grandmother), Rumsfeld, Clark, Bush (I bet you still think he is a Christian. Beware of the wolf in sheeps clothing. His roots trace back to Jewish rabbis), etc. If you believe a small group of Moslems pulled off 911 by themselves, then you got a lot of research to do. You might start by looking at the evidence Alex Jones uncovered during his interviews with the janitor of WTC at the time as well as the Architects and Engineers for 911 truth (www.AE911. ?org? ?com?), etc. In short, those planes didn't cause those building to come down the way they did and the invasion of Iraq was planned long before any planes hit the WTC. It is called the Hegelian Dialectic in case you are interested. Seek and you shall find.


So I suppose using anti-Jewish propaganda is perfectly sound logically, in light of the obviously pro-Jewish propaganda that we've all apparently been subjected to? I wonder if you'd explain the Hegelian Dialectic in your own words for us, and how it applies.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by mazzroth
To support any Nation who commits atrocities against civilians by blogging or by using certain "word speak" to denigrate the victims is "Hate Speech" plain and simple and I accuse anyone who stands behind the ideals of slaughtering women and children then bull dozing their houses of being a racist who should be banned from places like this.

It is obvious that racist's like many on here who stand by and support Countries who commit crimes against innocent children must be censored as their hate is most sickening to many.


You may want to include the fact that the houses that have been bulldozed, were those of militants that had committed attacks against Israelis. They weren't just randomly bulldozed, to bring about misery among the peace loving Palestinian women and children, as you apparently believe. It's pure intellectual laziness to categorize those with whom you disagree with as being purveyors of hate speech, that should be censored. I see plenty of hate speech here directed towards Jewish people, and that seems to be just fine with you.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 10:25 AM
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Collective punishment is criminal. When someone commits a crime, they get punnished by being put in Jail. Name a civilized nation that when someone robs a store, their whole family gets put in jail?

This is what Israel does. When they suspect someone is a terrorist, they bulldoze the families house, punishing the women and children who then have no place to live. They don't even need to prove that any individual in the house was in fact committing terrorism, They have destroyed homes based on mere suspicion without any evidence.

I am not defending terrorist activities, but collective punishment is completely wrong and uncivilized. It is also a war crime according to the Geneva Conventions.

Article 33. No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.
Pillage is prohibited.
Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.

Additional Protocol II of 1977 explicitly forbids collective punishment.


The Nazis were well known for their collective punishment tactics and were criticized for it by people around the globe, and rightly so.

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) Commentary to the conventions states that parties to a conflict often would resort to "intimidatory measures to terrorize the population" in hopes of preventing hostile acts, but such practices "strike at guilty and innocent alike.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by Terapin



Collective punishment is criminal. When someone commits a crime, they get punnished by being put in Jail. Name a civilized nation that when someone robs a store, their whole family gets put in jail?

This is what Israel does. When they suspect someone is a terrorist, they bulldoze the families house, punishing the women and children who then have no place to live. They don't even need to prove that any individual in the house was in fact committing terrorism, They have destroyed homes based on mere suspicion without any evidence.


I'm not suggesting bulldozing the homes of shoplifters, illegal downloaders, car thieves, etc... If someone is using their home as a location to store munitions/build bombs/plan attacks, then that's a different matter. They now have been given fair warning of the consequences of doing such. If they persist, then they have no one to blame but themselves. Like I said, the IDF doesn't just randomly choose a house. There's some detective work involved in the determination of who may be guilty of the things I mentioned. This isn't to say they haven't ever been mistaken, but it's also not the norm either.
As for the Geneva Conventions etc.... don't ignore the prohibitions about putting civilians in danger by using locations calculated to cause collateral damage from counterattacks, as your base of operations. Hamas knowingly endangers civilians, knowing the sympathy they'll get in the court of public opinion, when Israel defends itself.



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 11:41 PM
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Uh...why would you bulldoze a house for munitions/building bombs/planning attacks when you can just remove them? That doesn't make much sense...



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 11:52 PM
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Two things:
1.) Homes have been bulldozed on SUSPICION alone without any proof or evidence. Sometimes they will bulldoze a house simply because they think perhaps a gun was fired from over there. It is not about bulldozing munition dumps and terrorist bunkers. The buildings being bulldozed house families, women and children. They also bulldoze farmland. Farmland has nothing to do with terrorist activities.

2.) The whole point of collective punishment being wrong is that it indiscriminately targets innocents. Hitler used collective punishment in the Warsaw ghettos to punish large groups when one person fought back. This is EXACTLY what is happening in Gaza. This is why the Geneva Conventions and the International Red Cross spoke out against collective punishment in those cases, and the same holds true for Gaza. The Jews decried collective punishment in Warsaw, but commit it in the Occupied territories.

Fact: Collective punishment is a crime. A war crime as indicated by international law. There are no excuses.



posted on Feb, 12 2009 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by NativeAmerican
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Uh...why would you bulldoze a house for munitions/building bombs/planning attacks when you can just remove them? That doesn't make much sense...


Because the owner of that house murders/assists in the murder of Israeli civilians. The use of that house as an arms cache, or any military purpose for that matter, makes it a military target. Bulldozing the house discourages others that might consider doing the same thing.



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 11:04 AM
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Ever truly met anyone who you think wanted war? Ever met anyone who loves working more than family? A buisness exists to profit. The ultimate choice at hand 24/7, just to stay alive. One is criticised by oneself to the point of elation...Sorry this is about Israel my bad..as well as apologize in advanze fer mie typing skillz. To me this is freeform thought and communication ,,,acccording to my inner child...no limits are to be applied to this,are not all forms of communication just thst...communication? Weather a sub-group or not.
Israel. HIstory isd not important. the only history should be active acknoweldgement and indebitness and gratitude reciprocating perpetually?
This rosey future is nowand you need nothing to get it. Then why dont I have it? Guess I still havent talked about Israel.War all, over. Scared of peace. Its relly scary if you used to struggling in some way or another just to exist.(which everything does)Just spread out and minimize. Developmentally disabled...absolutely. My ability to acknowledge it doesnt make it any less true.The line is clearly marked. I need help.What reality is doesnt feel right. Free realestate at 130 a month. Ill quit when my debts are paid and I have the right to enjoy family at liesure.(a farm, with the equipment necesarry to run it,title as well)



posted on Feb, 15 2009 @ 11:15 AM
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Why should anybody thats not a soldier or a prisoner starve or even wonder about food and its availability we have strength.we dont use it we dont starve our children then they wont be prisoners and soldiers then who would fight and kill?



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