reply to post by skoalman88
While gun control has always been a heated issue, few rational individuals will disagree with this: enacting tougher gun control laws only hurt those
who legally obtain firearms since, after all, the criminal, by definition, does not comply with laws . . discuss.
Here’s some cheap unsought advice.
You can’t open a genuine conversation if you start by saying “ . . few rational individuals will disagree . . “ thereby limiting your
conversation to only those who are IRRATIONAL?
Being at least partially rational, there are some issues what need to be out in the open. 1) Lethality. Of the 110,000-120,000 people
who are injured by gunshot each year, on average 30,000 die.
All other accidents per year (except automobiles) serious enough to require medical attention - and thereby come to the notice of the CDC - number
over 21,000,000. Of that number about 50,000 die. (Automobile victims are counted elsewhere but deaths number around 39,000 a year). All numbers are
ballpark from my memory off the CDC website.
A quick look-see at the numbers shows that gunshot victims die at the rate of about 1 in 4. 25% (1 in 4). In other words, one-fourth of gunshot
victims injured seriously enough to seek medical aid, die! OTOH, “ victims of “all other accidents” die at a rate of about 0.2% (2 in 1,000).
Gunshots are substantially more lethal than “all other accidents” by a factor of 5 in 10,000. (Or 1 in 2,000.). That is to say, gunshots are 2,000
times more LETHAL
and more likely to result in death than any victim of the “all other accidents” category.
When your real concern is to reduce the number of deaths by accidents the rational person
does not start with the smallest number - say death
by falling off a step ladder - fewer than 1,000 per year - but would instead start with the highest number - death by gunshot. That’s the rational
The second area of interest to anyone who is serious about making our society safer must face the fact that guns are all to easily
available. I have never brought a gun on the street, but I “hear” that a gun is available for $25 to $50 anytime and almost anywhere. The source
of those illegal weapons is mostly those stolen from citizens who owned the guns legally. Street guns are mostly obtained by thieves in burglary and
car thefts. The most recent numbers I have heard - 280 million guns owned by 80 million gun owners - lays out the dimension of the problem. There are
more than 2 million home burglaries and 1 million car thefts each year.
It is also true that many gun makers produce more and gun importers bring in more guns than they can sell, which makes you wonder if they are not
purposely supplying the illegal stolen weapons market? We know it’s a fact that early in the amphetamine drug problem the Eli Lily Company of
Indianapolis shipped double the amount legal pharmacists were buying to compensate for the stolen or hijacked drugs. It is hard for me to call that
“responsible” conduct by a legitimate company.
So Mr S/M88
, we have two issues facing us. !) Lethality and 2) availability. These are the two issues GUN CONTROL advocates mean to address.
How? Well here is one proposal.
Let’s issue a paper title for each gun exactly like the title for your car or boat. No gun, no title, no title
no gun. Let’s make the actual transfer (sale) of a gun allowed only in the presence of the same local clerk’s office that handles cars or boats.
Buyer and seller must appear at the same time before the clerk, sign the requisite papers, and pay the ordinary transfer fees and taxes.
This means we can easily trace the chain of ownership of any firearm. I have a real strong feeling that alone will reduce the flow of legal guns into
the illegal market. It means if one guy is “losing” too many guns to thefts, we can get a handle on him. Maybe we say the first 2 or 3 guns bought
or sold in a year go for a $10 or $25 fee. But sales, transfers or purchases or thefts beyond that number cost say, $100 to $1,000 per weapon. This
would take the quick profit motive out to the occasional gun owner who turned gun runner.
Penalties? I'm not much into penalties. I'd suggest confiscate and destroy any firearm found in violation, and fine the owner or possessor $500.
That's good enough on penalties.
Let’s tax all long guns $50 a year and short guns $100 a year. Persons under 17 living on a working farm would be allowed one
.22 or .410 firearm at $1 a year. $1 per 100 for rim fire cartridges and $1 for 50 center fire under 250 grains and $1 per 20 rounds for center fire
over 250 grains. Put that money into a trust fund to pay the hospitals for treating gunshot victims and maybe a flat $100,000 to anyone’s family who
is killed by a gun. I believe these kind of measures would encourage gun owners to be more careful who they sell their firearms to and would reduce
the number of crimes committed with unregistered guns. This I call Gun Control.
[edit on 2/5/2009 by donwhite]