After heavy participation in this thread and the confusion that seems to surround it, I just have one question to ask:
1. Can you present your point of view, your opinion on a topic without:
* Hate
* Nastiness
* Name calling
* Dedregation
* Inflammatory rhetoric
* Insults
* Disgusting generalizations about
*** Ethnic Groups
*** Religions
*** Gender
*** Education
*** Medicine
*** Alien Lifeforms
*** Healthcare systems in the world
*** Education systems in the world
If you can't, then this might not be the best place for you,
The END of Hate Speech, subtle or otherwise, on ATS, page 14
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reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 03:51 PM by Aermacchi
Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by magicmushroom
Rules have nothing to do with subjugating the masses. They are to prevent anarchy. Your free speach rights on a privately owned site are whatever the owners want. If you agree to those terms when joining, then you need to abide by them.
Yeah I can't argue with you on this one blue, but the issue I see that keeps coming up is just what does it mean to keep in compliance. Like people who when breaking rules, go too far, rules too can go too far.
I mean this forum enjoys a lot of success but I have never seen any forum that gets this successful not forget how they got that way and start talking about "zero tolerance" for issues when they ain't the only game in town themselves. Many I have said such comments have been so far into the clouds of their own success, say "Don't let the door slam" and invariably that same pride comes before a fall.
I would hope that isn't the case here and while I have every intention to keep in line, I have seen you too go waaaay over the line and I doubt at that moment a zero tolerance being thrown in your face wouldn't be met with your own version of slamming that door behind you in the heat of the moment. You ever had a troll on your neck? How about a Mod that was trolling you? I don't care who you are, you are either going to feel ostracized and get so sick of it or you are goign to make posts so meek they even make YOU sick reading them.
reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 04:04 PM by skeptic1
reply to post by Aermacchi
If that is true, then I feel sad for the people who can't see beyond their prejudices. Important, critical debates and discussions don't need to be sullied by the actions of a few who want to spew hate for hate's sake,
Most of us aren't like that. We have all been in heated topics that managed to stay well above the lowest common denomonater. I just don't see why this small group who are fighting this so hard just can't either tone down the hateful rhetoric or find another forum to frequent.
If that is true, then I feel sad for the people who can't see beyond their prejudices. Important, critical debates and discussions don't need to be sullied by the actions of a few who want to spew hate for hate's sake,
Most of us aren't like that. We have all been in heated topics that managed to stay well above the lowest common denomonater. I just don't see why this small group who are fighting this so hard just can't either tone down the hateful rhetoric or find another forum to frequent.
reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 04:35 PM by Aermacchi
Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by Aermacchi
If that is true, then I feel sad for the people who can't see beyond their prejudices. Important, critical debates and discussions don't need to be sullied by the actions of a few who want to spew hate for hate's sake,
Most of us aren't like that. We have all been in heated topics that managed to stay well above the lowest common denomonater. I just don't see why this small group who are fighting this so hard just can't either tone down the hateful rhetoric or find another forum to frequent.
Most of who aren't like that ? If you have read this thread, I don't care what you think is hate when I don't think I hate anyone but I sure get accused of it everytime I don't agree with same sex marriage or Obama etc and if it means I have to seek the approval of those with such erroneously established sensitivities, ya know what, they can kick me out. Ill never know I am being hatefull and i have never met anyone that thought they were either.
That is my point skeptic, and yeah i can speak like Star Trecks Data or Mr Spock or flower my phrases with semantics but you know, I will just call it on them as it is just as beligerant when someone just has to mention that I may need some remedial reading classes etc. Hey don't sugar coat it, just say it like you mean it and call me an idiot.
Rules make those who cannot obey them find more devious ways to break them and what does ATS do? They bring the hammer down with a ZERO tolerance on what I have thought was a slippery slope in the outside world as it will be here. The advent of what is commonly referred to as "hate Speech" may be a threat to free speech and even thought itself but it is for the same reasons it will be here and your idea that humans all boil at the same degree is naive in my experience.
The criteria you gave in that post and your belief it is so academic is an opinion you have and as fond of our opinions as we all are, each one of those items listed has their own conundrum of sub categories I can guarantee you could be argued by others.
This is why courts do not like hearsay, or speculation and laws are so often designed as black and white ad why it is the punishment they are wise enough to understand that is given on a case by case basis when such mitigating circumstances for gray areas exist.
Zero tolerance is just asking for the very confusion we have seen already
reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 04:44 PM by budski
reply to post by skeptic1
That pretty much sums up the situation
I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
ATS house, ATS rules and be nice while you're about your business 
That pretty much sums up the situation
I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
ATS house, ATS rules
and be nice while you're about your business reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 05:12 PM by Aermacchi
Originally posted by budski
reply to post by skeptic1
That pretty much sums up the situation
I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
ATS house, ATS rules
Oh it isn't that it's hard to understand budski, it is just hard to follow and I can pull up so many of your posts that bait, instigate then back off like a victim of the very attacks your posts incite and Ill be more than happy to dig em up. It is why I have heard many stay away from your threads including myself. They are just too not worth the risk getting banned over.
You dish it but can't take it and, I may be mistaken but I'd say you have a some good friends on here with the rank to make sure you have the last word because we never hear from them again. I assume they are post banned when in my opinion, well you don't even want to know my opinion.
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reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 05:23 PM by budski
reply to post by Aermacchi
I'm just another member, with no rank or priveledges.
If you have a problem with any post of mine, hit the alert button - easy.
You seem determined to fight with someone - I suggest you don't bother; drama isn't really needed, in this thread or any other, and surely that's the point of the recent initiatives from the owners and staff.
I'm just another member, with no rank or priveledges.
If you have a problem with any post of mine, hit the alert button - easy.
You seem determined to fight with someone - I suggest you don't bother; drama isn't really needed, in this thread or any other, and surely that's the point of the recent initiatives from the owners and staff.
reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 05:41 PM by Aermacchi
Originally posted by budski
reply to post by Aermacchi
I'm just another member, with no rank or priveledges.
If you have a problem with any post of mine, hit the alert button - easy.
You seem determined to fight with someone - I suggest you don't bother; drama isn't really needed, in this thread or any other, and surely that's the point of the recent initiatives from the owners and staff.
You seem determined to fight with someone
Don't accuse me of what YOU think I am determined to do budski, it is this tactic I am speaking about when you add your little diggs here and there while you flatter the staff. My saying "you don't even want to know my opinion" that determined my disinterest in "figting with anyone" inspite of your attempts to bait me
[edit on 6-2-2009 by Aermacchi]
reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 09:07 PM by Jay-in-AR
reply to post by Leo Strauss
To illustrate my above comment in response to your's, I have NEVER been claimed to be an anti-semite although I have been HIGHLY critical of Israeli Government. The reason is because I leave emotion for the behavior of the group out of it and focus on the actions of the people at the time.
Maybe it is just that people don't understand what I write, as I'm sloppy, but I think that if you point out your objections while being aware enough of your words not to sound like a bigot, you'll be alright.
To illustrate my above comment in response to your's, I have NEVER been claimed to be an anti-semite although I have been HIGHLY critical of Israeli Government. The reason is because I leave emotion for the behavior of the group out of it and focus on the actions of the people at the time.
Maybe it is just that people don't understand what I write, as I'm sloppy, but I think that if you point out your objections while being aware enough of your words not to sound like a bigot, you'll be alright.
reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 09:14 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Springer
You are 100% correct in banning hate speech. Besides the fact that it debases the web-site, it brings corrosive energy to whomever looks upon it. Know that those who speak hate will be brought down by it. Know that whatever a person thinks and says will boomerang back upon them with brutal force. As we approach alignment with the Galactic Core, this will be even more true than ever.
Your courage and correct stance is to be commended. Support those who look for truth through the eyes of compassion and love, for those eyes will find truth most quickly. Support the interaction of people who really want an exchange of ideas. There are millions of us out there....
You are 100% correct in banning hate speech. Besides the fact that it debases the web-site, it brings corrosive energy to whomever looks upon it. Know that those who speak hate will be brought down by it. Know that whatever a person thinks and says will boomerang back upon them with brutal force. As we approach alignment with the Galactic Core, this will be even more true than ever.
Your courage and correct stance is to be commended. Support those who look for truth through the eyes of compassion and love, for those eyes will find truth most quickly. Support the interaction of people who really want an exchange of ideas. There are millions of us out there....
