Originally posted by GreyFoxSolid
reply to post by TrueAmerican
Simply use common sense. Debate vs. Argument.
You just cost Christopher Hitchens every debate he ever won.
Originally posted by riggs2099
Who would have thought this thread would go on as long as it has... I got the message from OP's opening message. Oh and for those of you
thinking I am kissing butt to get higher in the ranks...well just look at my points and you can see I could care less. What I can`t understand
is....What is it that is so hard to grasp......Your are either debating a subject without spewing hatered of any culture, group or individual or you
are. Hmm...Not too difficult. Here and example....you morons can`t seem to get it...what is so freakin hard tio understand.....hate filled....I do not
understand why some of our fellow ATS`ers don`t get it. It was made very clear in the opening post and also subsequent posts...not hate filled. Now
tell me...WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE YOU SEE...IN THE SAME STATEMENTS
[edit on 5-2-2009 by riggs2099]
Hey Guy your deficit doesn't impress me but I can appreciate your opinion about the points. I was twice minus 8000 and brought it back to +5000. .
I have seen others complain about scary avatars too.
But I don't think we need to confuse anger with hatred.
I have seen entire threads set up by entire groups just for the sole purpose of manipulating a mod or two into a witch hunt and if those that did that
left this place,,
I'd miss them terrible.
I can only see this as unique to everyone in a walking on eggshells form of political correctness.
In the mean time while all of us get diabetes from all the cookie cutter sugarcoated diplomacy in very diluted debates.
Can you imagine?
Whether it be about Obama and the racists that didn't vote for him or the Gay rights and same sex marriage prop-8'ers.
From the homophobes and bigots from the right winged whackos, the twoofers, the debunkers, NWO'ers, 2012'ers and masons. The bilderburg bimbos,
illuminatti and trilaterals.
To an ideology from the bronze age, we see attacked everyday. It has caused more pain suffering and death than all evil combined, in a collective
collaboration of catechism indoctrinated crazies, from crusades,,
to the WTC,
It's everyone’s favorite enemy,,
and Especially "xtianity!"
Whichever one of these you align yourself with is most likely the same you have since your first day here and every sock puppet there after.
No one denies ignorance here and with this slogan reminding me of the once popular star spangled banner singing the land of the free,, and,,
"BECAUSE" of the brave! ATS is no longer about a place where one denies ignorance, it is a place where ignorance is contingent on the impossible
fine tuning of a zero sum game and the idea of an equally fine tuned ATS MOD with a zero sum chance for less than perfect impartiality.
with a zero tolerance for intolerance while expecting nothing BUT tolerance, from all us.
THIS OUGHT TO BE REAL INTERESTING!
It is one of the many skills I have seen improve on, more than any other in our arsenal of tactics in our inductive arguments that I have
It is not one exercised but rather atrophy's from the oppressive threats of those chanting the infractions of the T&C intimidating members whose
"posting style may seem over the top by one mod u2u'ing a blunt reprisal of his or her own,,
While still another Mod gives you applause,
for that same post.
Such things have happened and give credence to many whose understanding of hate speech, may be academic to you, or I but may not be anywhere near the
understanding another has and that other may just happen to be Springer.
Springer's initial response to this question was to research it ourselves. One can only hope that our diligence in accepting your answer as good
and wise advice, we can only hope, our research reflected the same words and phrases so easily covered with a thin coat of veneer
The logic in the argument attack the post but not the poster makes for a great slogan, but when one represents what he says in a post, they are
insulted the same nevertheless.
Someone saying they should legalize a drug and another attacks that post saying " I think people who do drugs are ignorant or I think doing drugs are
stupid", it isn't the post I am arguing, it is the author of it and he knows it. If you don't think so, next time you say drugs are stupid,
someone should also say, "what does that say about the user?
When someone says, belief in God is stupid and I say that ouch that hurts. They may argue they did not attack me personally but only the belief.
If belief in God is stupid, then someone should ask,
What does that say about the believer?
Attacking the post and not the poster is a mixed bag and as much a pandoras box as this zero tolerance is from those who expect nothing but
tolerance,, from us.
Yeah it's quite a quagmire I see a brewing here and by the looks of the posts with words to the same effect, I think the complicity in ATS MODS not
doing Jobs may have been appreciated by some but to snap us back like whiplash with a zero tolerance is a bit misguided when so many were waiting for
the assistance of one while the arguments get more heated more angry and one sided.
It is sad to see seasoned debates be so oppressed by the worries of those whose self concept is one molecule away from an eggshell, it is when those
who have earned a thicker skin and a more assertive uncompromising tact, one without expletives but the adjectives whose objectives are used to have
impact while announcing "you ain’t no crème puff yourself"
It was a Mod named NGC2736. That taught me, "We teach best what it is we most need to learn". While those teaching tolerance need to learn that so
much tolerance has the personality of a tree stump. When such a mandate for others is used to test the tolerance of those it is expected, it can only
harbor resentment as it holds fast in compliance with the PTB on ATS.
One of the many skills one gains in the art of verbal self defense in the DOJO named ATS is not only holding our tongue in insincere tolerance but I
would never learn to defend myself without the Springer’s and the skeptics. As Maslow said, we all see the world uniquely by our own frame of
reference and as we all know, the mods are too few and most are unavailable so I hone my skill as I sharpen my sword but adding a callous to our skin
is its own hard-earned reward
While intolerance has the spirit to stand its ground, it is in actuality those who demand tolerance,,
I see not tolerant,
While others like springer know when to tolerate no longer, is this kind of intolerance is to know when to say,
enough is enough, and the difference,,
To know when.
Personally, if I may be so bold, I cannot stand political correctness. It has clouded our language with flowery insincere pleasantry and politeness.
I don't know about you but I like to know just where I stand and if someone acts like a flaming filet of troll peking style, I am confident from my
experience, that I know no matter how gentle or how rough I deliver my rebuttal, it makes no difference because they aren't about listening or
learning, were all about our logic our reason and rationality.
No one admits they are wrong, it's the way it is ATS own Hospitality. The addiction to argue a common denominator we all share. It isn't about
winning or losing, hell none of us care.
It's about denying ignorance from a place now so tame, it's not fair.
Originally posted by Springer
Consider this post as FAIR WARNING that the staff and owners of AboveTopSecret.com will be following the T.A.C. to the letter and we are
implementing a ZERO TOLERANCE policy on ALL hate speech.
Like no one can give me an inferiority complex without my consent,
No, matter what I say,,,,, I can no more spread hate when that hate is ignorance denied,
Anymore than those that hate was directed , would not be accepted as ignorance allowed.