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reply posted on 14-2-2009 @ 02:15 PM by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by tiso_us



You are right, food shouldnt be taxed. But you do realize that even on food, about 23% of what you pay...is a tax?


reply posted on 18-2-2009 @ 03:32 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Total Reality



I hate to break it to you people but here goes. There is NO law that requires a private citizen to pay a tax on the money they earn. There never has been and as long as the Constitution is the law of the land there never can be.

Don't get me wrong. There is a law that requires businesses and certain people (government officials and officers, appointed and elected people) to pay a tax on their pay as well as people who earn money in a foreign country that has a tax treaty with the US. In fact, the form 1040 most people use to file taxes has never been approved for that use.

The only form approved for use to report income is a form 2555 which is Foreign Earned Income. How many of you have foreign earned income?

You can really learn a lot by reading the various laws yourself instead of believing what someone tells you or what you've heard.


reply posted on 23-2-2009 @ 11:47 AM by Blagojevich
Hahahaha... just when you thought Republicans couldn't do anything sillier, here they go trying to capture the uninformed public's attention by waving dollar bills in front of them. "No more taxes guys, please like us!" PR anyone?


So let me get this straight - the right-wing's answer to solving the financial crisis, and America's debt, is by eliminating the country's number one source of revenue, and discouraging consumer spending? Not to mention this bill is fundamentally flawed as it would only increase the burden on the poor, while the rich could avoid taxes entirely by having their items imported or through the formation of black markets. What percent of the rich's income would go into a sales tax? Do you really think they'd spend 50% of their total income... taxing the annual income is the only reason our current tax system works.

Please see:
en.wikipedia.org...

A regressive tax is a tax imposed in such a manner that the tax rate decreases as the amount subject to taxation increases.[1][2][3][4][5] In simple terms, a regressive tax imposes a greater burden (relative to resources) on the poor than on the rich — there is an inverse relationship between the tax rate and the taxpayer's ability to pay as measured by assets, consumption, or income. "Regressive" describes a distribution effect on income or expenditure, referring to the way the rate progresses from high to low, where the average tax rate exceeds the marginal tax rate.[6][7] It can be applied to individual taxes or to a tax system as a whole; a year, multi-year, or lifetime. Regressive taxes attempt to reduce the tax incidence of people with higher ability-to-pay, as they shift the incidence disproportionately to those with lower ability-to-pay. The



Anyone still wondering why the only balanced budget and federal surplus during the past 20 years came while Clinton was in office? It's because of ridiculous stunts like this that the republicans like to pull, where their only concern comes from increasing their wealth as opposed to the nations'.

Ask yourself this: why now... why not during the last 8 years while a Republican was president? The answer: Obama has been warning the rich of a tax hike... Republicans want their buddies to know they're still working for them, even if they know this bill is destined for abject failure.

... and the rich get richer, while you fools cheer their every move. I suggest some of you stop listening to Alex Jones... it's through outlets like his where these ideas are spread and given unquestioned validity, while thinking it's "revolutionary" and believe he's really fighting for "freedom and liberty," when it's really his pocketbook he's concerned about. What it all boils down to is the rich versus the poor.


reply posted on 23-2-2009 @ 10:11 PM by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Blagojevich



Hmmm....I am going to hazard a guess that you think the Fair Tax is a bad thing...and you would be completely wrong. And as it is written, it does not place the burden on the poor. In all actuality, the poor will have more money in their hands.


reply posted on 25-2-2009 @ 09:45 PM by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by reticledc



Actually, no it wouldnt. You want to know why? If you are dumb enough to try to charge that, Im going to make/sell bread at 1.50 a loaf, make a bunch of money and put you out of business. We wouldnt be the first country to switch to a national sales tax...and it works in the other places it has been tried.

I am going to guess that you do not realize that with every good and service you purchase, about 23% of what you pay is a tax. Even on food, because the grocery stores still have to pay social security/medicare/unemployment taxes. All that changes under the Fair Tax, no more SS/Medicare withholding, no more matching contributions from our employers.

Fair tax will put more money in EVERYONE'S pockets.....do you have a problem with that?

[edit on 25-2-2009 by Swampfox46_1999]


reply posted on 25-2-2009 @ 10:27 PM by username371
Originally posted by MoonMine
reply to
post by Total Reality



Isn't it strange that Ron Paul has not signed this bill (yet)?

How odd, I would suspect he would be frontrunner on this one.




If he won't sign it, I think the reason is that he knows that a tax on your income is unconstitutional, and shifting it to a tax on spending might make it look better to us but doesn't make it sit any better with his conscience.

According to the constitution, taxes must be apportioned. This means everybody pays the same amount. A federal sales tax or income tax is thus unconstitutional, period.


reply posted on 27-2-2009 @ 12:10 AM by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by gottago



Try doing some research for once. "Poor" individuals will get "prebate" checks to cover the taxes on necessities of life.
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