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Bill to abolish IRS introduced

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posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:51 AM
This is a step in the right direction. I think that the best way to protest right now would be to stop paying taxes because that's where they're getting most of their money for these "stimulus packages". Maybe that's what these Reps are trying to get us to do.

40 have signed on to Rep. John Linder's [GA-7] bill to abolish the
income tax, and replace it with a national sales tax.

Here is the list
Rep Akin, W. Todd [MO-2] - 1/6/2009
Rep Alexander, Rodney [LA-5] - 1/6/2009
Rep Bachus, Spencer [AL-6] - 1/6/2009
Rep Bartlett, Roscoe G. [MD-6] - 1/6/2009
Rep Bilbray, Brian P. [CA-50] - 1/6/2009
Rep Brady, Kevin [TX-8] - 1/6/2009
Rep Brown, Henry E., Jr. [SC-1] - 1/6/2009
Rep Brown-Waite, Ginny [FL-5] - 1/6/2009
Rep Burton, Dan [IN-5] - 1/6/2009
Rep Carter, John R. [TX-31] - 1/6/2009
Rep Conaway, K. Michael [TX-11] - 1/6/2009
Rep Crenshaw, Ander [FL-4] - 1/23/2009
Rep Culberson, John Abney [TX-7] - 1/6/2009
Rep Deal, Nathan [GA-9] - 1/6/2009
Rep Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2] - 1/6/2009
Rep Fallin, Mary [OK-5] - 1/6/2009
Rep Franks, Trent [AZ-2] - 1/6/2009
Rep Gingrey, Phil [GA-11] - 1/6/2009
Rep Hensarling, Jeb [TX-5] - 1/6/2009
Rep Issa, Darrell E. [CA-49] - 1/9/2009
Rep King, Steve [IA-5] - 1/6/2009
Rep Kingston, Jack [GA-1] - 1/6/2009
Rep Lamborn, Doug [CO-5] - 1/6/2009
Rep Lucas, Frank D. [OK-3] - 1/6/2009
Rep McCaul, Michael T. [TX-10] - 1/6/2009
Rep Mica, John L. [FL-7] - 1/9/2009
Rep Miller, Gary G. [CA-42] - 1/14/2009
Rep Moran, Jerry [KS-1] - 1/13/2009
Rep Myrick, Sue Wilkins [NC-9] - 1/8/2009
Rep Neugebauer, Randy [TX-19] - 1/6/2009
Rep Pence, Mike [IN-6] - 1/6/2009
Rep Poe, Ted [TX-2] - 1/6/2009
Rep Price, Tom [GA-6] - 1/6/2009
Rep Stearns, Cliff [FL-6] - 1/6/2009
Rep Sullivan, John [OK-1] - 1/6/2009
Rep Thornberry, Mac [TX-13] - 1/6/2009
Rep Tiahrt, Todd [KS-4] - 1/6/2009
Rep Westmoreland, Lynn A. [GA-3] - 1/6/2009
Rep Wittman, Robert J. [VA-1] - 1/6/2009
Rep Young, Don [AK] - 1/6/2009

You can read the bill here: H.R. 25 Fair Tax Act of 2009. It's pretty long but good stuff people, hope it passes.

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:57 AM
I guess its better than nothing.At least they are suggesting it.
But it will never get through.
National sales tax wouldn't be as much, if people didn't buy as many things.
The amount they make from income tax is absurd.
They wont get rid of it.Besides having income tax makes it easier to spy on people.

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 11:00 AM
Taxing spendings rather than earnings always should have been the way.

Star for bringing this to our attention, regardless of whether it has any chance of happening or not.

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 11:04 AM
Well, 40 Representatives have signed it, although that's not a lot they might be able to convince their friends to sign it. But when you think about it, it has a chance of passing in the house but not the senate, they're too corrupt.

But do you know how much better it would be for our economy if they abolished the income tax?

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 11:13 AM
Everyone I've spoken to agrees that the Income Tax NEEDs to be removed, the IRS has to get taken's a waste of our money. I personally have it setup that the taxes taken out are the bare minimum if any. Why?

I don't plan on paying for Banks anymore, until this gets fixed, consider me never paying taxes again.

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 12:34 PM
Don't know if it's the right thing to do but at least it's something worth checking into.

Originally posted by Riviera
I don't plan on paying for Banks anymore, until this gets fixed, consider me never paying taxes again.

Let me know how this works out, and I hope you don't own a car or a house and it will have a lien placed on it pretty quick

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 12:43 PM
Thank you for posting this. I think it's a great idea for the most part.

I personally don't have a problem with the concept of paying taxes, BUT, I have a problem with the amount of taxes that we pay, the unfair tax structure, and the way the money is wasted. Anything that will fix those problems is a welcome relief.
I always thought the idea for a Flat tax was pretty right on.

Take care,


posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 12:57 PM
If they want to fix this economy this would be the hat trick. You only pay tax on what you decide to purchase. No one would ever again be on the hook with the I.R.S. and their ridiculous penalty and interest rates. Paying your taxes as you purchase for everyone would bring in more money anyway because everyone would pay.

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 01:01 PM
Yeah, this is nice to know. Maybe then the US dollars can come back home instead of residing in those offshore accounts.

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posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 01:04 PM
This is something that should have been done long ago.

A flat sales tax ensures that everyone pays their share. Wealthy people pay when they buy luxury goods and high end items just as poor and middle class people pay when they shop or make a purchase. Better yet it guarantees that even illegal aliens pay tax as well because it is automatically debited when they buy something.

Better yet imagine the relief of not having to worry about filing taxes and getting audited every year, imagine keeping your money that you earn and paying taxes by choice on the items that you buy. And better yet imagine a world where there is no criminal IRS waiting around the corner to beat down your door and take everything you own for making one clerical mistake on your taxes.

What a realief it would be for everyone, and I believe would generate more revenue than the income tax because, once again, everyone would be paying. No loopholse for the super wealthy and no income minimums to bail out the low income people.

Everybody pays their share.

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 01:11 PM
Could it really be possible that some of our legislators are finally waking up and realizing that they have been wrong all along?

40 may not be many, but IMO it is a dang good start. Time to start hitting the rest of them with our emails and calls to get them aboard.

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 01:25 PM
its grand idea but it's best left that way it would create more problems than it would solve ie communism... what about the billions sitting in bank accounts what about the billions sitting in investments this tax would only effect the private citizens who spend thier hard earned money i think this bill would greater divide the rich from poor

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 01:25 PM
The best way to get our economy back on a better path is this bill and The Fair Tax. Corporations overseas would be beating down our doors just to open a buisness, more jobs would be created faster than you can imagine and thus more revenue. The only reason we still have this joke of a tax code and an evil IRS is simple. The politicians have control over us and can play the wealthy envy card during election years by promising one class that they'll rape another of their hard earned money and make empty promises. I say good riddance to the IRS and the Federal Income Tax.

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 01:34 PM
An interesting perspective on the matter is presented in the following article. I agree with what they are saying, someone will always have to collect taxes. If the bill passes, it will probably be reestablished under a different name, kind of like the whole federal bank issue. I know that the headline of the article is counterintuitive, but I recommend reading the entire thing. It's very interesting, even if you don't agree with it. It is from 1997 but most of it still holds true for today.

Abolish The Irs? Dream On.

The practical and political problems of jettisoning the income tax are so daunting that, once they become understood, the appeal of alternatives may fade. Radical reform would take a sledgehammer to the tax code's complexity; but its fatal weakness is that much of the complexity flows from popular provisions--the mortgage interest and charitable deductions, for example. The only way to abolish the IRS is to rename it. Someone will always have to collect the taxes.

All advanced societies have high taxes, because people want high public services. ...
The dilemma is how to prevent complexity from becoming self-defeating.

A tax system that is too complex weakens voluntary compliance and risks crushing economic burdens. ...

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 01:42 PM
reply to post by ravenshadow13

The tax code is ALREADY too complex...all 589 pages of it. It would also be impossible to risk damaging any "voluntary compliance" since as far as I know the federal income tax is in no way, shape or form voluntary.

The fact is the amount of income tax that we pay has no bearing whatsoever on the quality of services, it is money that is being taken from working people against their will and being used to pay the interest on the fiat money that the US owes to the Federal Reserve.

There would be no need for an IRS or any such entity to exist to collect taxes because under a flat sales tax the required taxes would be paid at the time of sale or purchase. It would fall under the department of commerce to collect tax revenue from business transactions but not from people directly.

That little tid bit that you quoted looks as though it was probably written by an IRS agent or at the very least someone who wants you to believe that we somehow NEED the IRS.


posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 01:52 PM
It would be great to not pay so much in taxes and have a flat tax! I feel that way also. Right now in the US we are in a whirlwind of changes along with disaster. States in the near future may have to take care of themselves. Fed, keep your hands off my hard earned money!

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 01:53 PM
I wonder what Tom Daschle would say about abolishing the IRS?

IMO, he would say go for it.

Daunting or not, it is possible. If we can put a man on the moon, I dang well believe we can replace the IRS with a better and fairer method of taxation.

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 01:54 PM
reply to post by Total Reality

Isn't it strange that Ron Paul has not signed this bill (yet)?

How odd, I would suspect he would be frontrunner on this one.

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 02:08 PM
If we could be rid of the IRS that would truly be a large step towards the freedom America was originally founded on. The IRS is an illegal operation and I don't remember the name of it but there was a documentary on it I watched some time ago that also points that out clearly. Employees have quit from there just because they could not find the tax law in where the operation was legal. Ron Paul wants to be done with the IRS as well. Hope for the best and expect the worst.

From Freedom To Fascism by Aaron Russo covers the IRS and its illegal activities if I remember also.

posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 02:09 PM
I'm all for getting rid of the IRS. A flat tax however would still not be good. They will just keep raising the % of the tax.

The only proper solution is to get rid of the fed. To get off a debt based system which requires us to pay interest money which is never created and is impossible for us to pay back.

The musical chairs game will continue even under this solution. It's not a solution at all, it's just treating the symptom, not the cause.

I don't really feel like typing out a long post about the problem. I've done it so many times before. But basically, the only reason we have to pay taxes in the first place is to pay the interest money on the national debt. When there shouldn't even be a national debt of such.

Time to take control of the money supply, and this isn't doing it.

Better than what we got now though. I personally refuse to file my taxes. I still have to pay my taxes and such, but I get a fine every year because I refuse to take part in it "voluntarily". They still take the money out of my checks and stuff, and then they garnish the penalties from me. Costs me extra money, but it is my way of protesting the system without putting myself in prison.

[edit on 5-2-2009 by badmedia]

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