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101 Biblical Contradictions. The Fallible Word of God.

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posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 06:44 AM
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For those of you believe that the Bible is the infallible word of God.
By
Lucifer

Please allow me to introduce myself.

I haves posted this in another thread on this group, however I consider it worthy of a new topic since many of the debaters on the various threads appear to be ‘bogged down’ with this issue, and I think that the 101 contradictions makes it clear that the Bible has not been written by scholars attempting to write a ‘factual’ history but by propagandists.

‘Conspiracy’ J’Accuse.

There are a number of legal and non-legal definitions of this, but generally A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design should suffice. I accuse the Christians in general of being co-collaborators in a conspiracy to corrupt and pervert humanity, by alleging that their ‘Holy Bible’ represents the ‘highest truth,’ and that their genocidal, infanticidal, homophobic God is the actual Creator of the Universe (i.e., the God of Physics). This is not a trivial matter; today we see that it is the two most prominent Christian nations in the world, the Anglo-American Christian narco-terrorists/ state terrorists who are at the forefront to of World Capitalist revolution, the holocaust of all militant enemies and the economic and sexual enslavement of humanity under Capitalism. The head of state of the British narco-terrorists is Elizabeth Windsor, also the temporal head ‘defensor fides (defender of the faith) of the international Anglican (Episcopalian in the US) Church; she is also ‘Grand Patroness’ of York Rite Freemasonry. In America the George Bush family are also practicing Episcopalians (with the exception of George W’s wife who is a Methodist), and the new president Obama is also a Christian; same old; same old; war and Capitalist imperialism goes on. The legacy of Christianity is that of crusades and holocausts, inquisitions, tyranny, monetarism (Capitalism), loan sharking (usury) and imperialism. The history of Latin American since the end of WW2 shows a trail of narco-terrorism, CIA backed coups, dictators of the far right, death squads and the torture murder and genocide of much of the political Left; that is the legacy of Christian state terrorism.

There appears to be at least one Christian here offering a cash reward for anyone who can prove the many claims in the Zeitgeist move, based on Jordan Maxwell’s ‘Sons of God,’ which offers argument and evidence of numerous historical sun-gods who were allegedly miraculously born, given divine status and entwined with astro-theology. Unfortunately ancient history is often the propaganda of tyrants and prophets, entwined with miracles stories and myth; ‘proving’ or disproving the truth of such legends is often thus a can of worms.

I would also offer a challenge to any Christian who can offer a refutation of all 101 contradictions, thus giving weight to the long held theory that the Bible is the word of God (who would clearly surely be the cosmos’s most accurate historian). My offer is that of 73 virgins in the afterlife (the Muslims currently offer 72), though I am quite sure that this reward shall not be collected, particularly since the Christian Capitalists bear the curse of Jesus (i.e., the Capitalists allegedly end up in Hell).

I have a graduate degree in Theology and Religious Studies; my second subject was History. I also have a post-graduate degree in education. I do not teach in schools but I am a qualified school teacher and I am quite familiar with the process of marking student’s essays.

If the Bible is the word of the actual Creator, I would expect to give Her an A+ for historical methodology and
moral philosophy in the same way that I would give Her an A+ in Physics, Chemistry, mathematics, astronomy and other sciences.

Since we are considering the Bible to have been written by God, it would be unfair to judge her by the standard of a High School student, but rather by the standard of a PhD student.




posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 06:47 AM
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I would have to fail Her on historical methodology; I would not even mark the paper.

On moral philosophy with regards to the justifications for rape, genocide, infanticide, human and animal sacrifice cultism, cannibalism etc., not only would I have to fail her and return the paper unmarked, in addition I would consider Her to be criminally insane and the definition of ‘evil.’ I would also consider it to be the case that anyone who believed that this was the ‘word of God’ was also criminally insane, and a morally (i.e., the discernment of good and evil) worthless individual of the ilk of Pinochet, George Bush, Hitler etc.

Bear in mind that since we are speaking of the alleged ‘infallible word of God’ it shall be insufficient to justify ‘some’ of the Biblical contradictions; in order to justify the infallibility of the Bible, ‘all’ of the contradictions must be justified.


The following 101 contradictions have been circulating the Internet for years; they are not of my authorship.

Love and regards

Lucifer
Light of the World

________________



101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible



Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)

(b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)


In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)


How many fighting men were found in Judah?

(a) Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)


God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)

(b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)


How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)

(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)


How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)

(b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)


How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

(a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8)

(b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)


The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?

(a) Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)

(b) Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)




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posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 06:55 AM
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I'm sure most people on ATS know that the Bible is not the "word of God" and these contradictions can be found on ATS or all over the net. So unless you can give us something new or something that cannot be "debunked"....



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 07:18 AM
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How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

(a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8)

(b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)


lol, this one cracks me up



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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I remember posting a topic on Christianity and why it was an out-moded, archaic and "written by the winners of history" rather than the truth.

I got flaaaaaaamed badly for it.

Of course the bible has 'plot holes' because it's just a badly written book. If the Roman Empire hadn't have 'adopted' Christianity no one would pay any attention to it. It's an ingrained part of western society because it's "always been there" not because it's right.

Totally o/t i find it funny that a lot of "conspiracists" are right-wing fundamentalist nuts who consider a liberal government as being one that'd forward a NWO.

Other way around! The conservative 'god fearing' right of America are those who are most likely to usher in a NWO thanks to using their draconian book. It gives them a justification. "BUT GOD WANTS IT SO!!"

Thankfully here in Europe, we're largely past all this god-fearing nonsense.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:31 AM
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okay if you're a teacher, please review the rules of debate. creating strawmen you can set afire, is not the proper way to open a honest forum for debate and fact finding. you know i will bury you hip deep in history, if you so wish it. if you are challenging me, i accept, but i expect you to use decorum and refrain from the creation of strawmen.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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instead of cracking up just answer the first one:

Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel? (a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1) (b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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I accuse the Christians in general of being co-collaborators in a conspiracy to corrupt and pervert humanity, by alleging that their ‘Holy Bible’ represents the ‘highest truth,’ and that their genocidal, infanticidal, homophobic God is the actual Creator of the Universe (i.e., the God of Physics).


Are you a man?
Think about your answer. I 'm a female. Think about my answer. I'm preparing you for what you have apparently overlooked in your philosophy.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:47 AM
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reply to post by undo
 


stargates?


and no this is no one liner



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:51 AM
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fett,

i'll get to your questions when i'm done talking to the op.
he offered a challenge, and i love a good challenge.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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This is great I can re-post from another thread

Actually all these so-called contradictions have explanations but it takes a lot of time to answer them. I will do three randomly just to show that it is possible.

Question
Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?

(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)

(b) No (Joshua 15:63)

Answer
Joshua 10:23 & 40 does not specifically mention the city of Jerusalem.

23And they did so, and brought forth to him those five kings out of the cave, the king of Jerusalem, the king of Hebron, the king of Jarmuth, the king of Lachish, the king of Eglon.
Notice only the King of Jerusalem is mentioned not the city itself.

40 So Joshua subdued the whole region, including the hill country, the Negev, the western foothills and the mountain slopes, together with all their kings. He left no survivors. He totally destroyed all who breathed, just as the LORD, the God of Israel, had commanded.
Again no specific mention of Jerusalem, but some of the area's around it.

Then Joshua 15:63 specifically mentions the city of Jerusalem.

63 But the tribe of Judah could not drive out the Jebusites, who lived in the city of Jerusalem, so the Jebusites live there among the people of Judah to this day.

Jerusalem was controlled by the Jebusites who's king and army were beaten in battle by Joshua and the King was killed. Nevertheless, after the burning of the city of Jebus and sometime before the dividing of the land, the Jebusites had control of the strategic heights of Jerusalem, which they had held for 400 years. So both scriptures are correct. Finally in 1070 BCE, King David conquered Zion the stonghold of the Jebusites. The book of Joshua was written around 1450 BCE so it makes sense that they were still living there when Joshua wrote this.

No contradictions here.

Question
How did Judas die?

(a) After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)

(b) After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)

Answer
Both are correct from different perspectives

Matthew seems to deal with the mode of the suicide, while Acts describes the result.
Combining the two accounts, it appears that Judas tried to hang himself over some cliff, but the rope or tree limb broke so that he plunged down and burst open on the rocks below. The topography around Jerusalem makes such an event conceivable.

No contradiction here.


Question
Is the law of Moses useful?

(a) Yes. “All scripture is... profitable...” (2 Timothy 3:16)

(b) No. “. . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... “(Hebrews 7:18)

Answer
I will pick this one as it has more value and has been debated before.
The answer of coarse is yes, it is useful, but why?
1) It is the old historical laws that God wants us to know about.
2) It is gives us an idea on how God thinks about various things.
3) If they are in-line with the new testament then they still apply.
for example murder & adultery

The apostle Paul a former practicer of Judaism explained it best as to why the law no longer applies once Christ came, 3 Versions.

Galatians 3:23-25 (The Message)
23-24Until the time when we were mature enough to respond freely in faith to the living God, we were carefully surrounded and protected by the Mosaic law. The law was like those Greek tutors, with which you are familiar, who escort children to school and protect them from danger or distraction, making sure the children will really get to the place they set out for.
25-27But now you have arrived at your destination: By faith in Christ you are in direct relationship with God. Your baptism in Christ was not just washing you up for a fresh start. It also involved dressing you in an adult faith wardrobe—Christ's life, the fulfillment of God's original promise.


Galatians 3:23-27 (New Living Translation)
23 Before the way of faith in Christ was available to us, we were placed under guard by the law. We were kept in protective custody, so to speak, until the way of faith was revealed.
24 Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith. 25 And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian.
26 For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have put on Christ, like putting on new clothes.


Galatians 3:23-27 (NSB)
23 But before faith came, we were held in custody by the Law. We were locked up until faith was revealed.
24 The Law was our schoolmaster (Greek: paedagogue: a combination of schoolmaster, instructor, servant and guardian in charge of us) to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you who were baptized into Christ put on (clothed yourselves with) Christ.


And lets not take that scripture to much out of context.
Hebrews 7: 18&19
18 The former commandment was set aside because it was weak and useless.
19 The Law could not make anything perfect. A better hope has been provided through which we can draw near to God.

The Mosaic law is weak and useless only when compared to Christ's better hope & his principles.

Once again no contradictions, it is useful and has merit, it just doesn't fully apply to us anymore.

Conclusion research negates biblical contradictions.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Fett Pinkus
reply to post by miriam0566
 


instead of cracking up just answer the first one:

Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel? (a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1) (b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)


its obvious from the context that it was satan. god would not tell the people to do something against his law.

but whats funny about this particular ¨contradiction¨, is that its not a contradiction.

satan would not have been able to incite david to number the men of isreal appearing as satan. he would have only been able to accomplish this by lying and pretending to be an angel of god, especially since david would have known that this would have been against the law.

exodus 30:[12] When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when thou numberest them.[13] This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs
an half shekel shall be the offering of the LORD.[14] Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.

if you notice, in both accounts, advisors question davids command. likely they were reminding him of this law.

2 samuel simply renders the account with the deception (satan appearing as the lord), and 1 chronicles renders it the way it was.

either way, david should have known that god would never ask anyone to break his own law.

it is up to the reader to use of the context to understand this particular passage.

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posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 12:00 PM
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god would not tell the people to do something against his law.


erm, you probably want to rethink this comment. he's gonna get you on the thou shalt not kill ..go kill the people over yonder thing (semantics! it's what's for dinner!)



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by undo
erm, you probably want to rethink this comment. he's gonna get you on the thou shalt not kill ..go kill the people over yonder thing (semantics! it's what's for dinner!)


yes it is semantics. lol



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 12:08 PM
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i had to train ye olde brain to think semantically for such conversations.

probably a bad idea.


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posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by miriam0566
...but whats funny about this particular ¨contradiction¨, is that its not a contradiction.


So, the real question here is, are they any true contradictions in the Bible, or are they all just "contradictions" which are really not (and they all are easily "explained") ?



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by undo
reply to post by miriam0566
 


i had to train ye olde brain to think semantically for such conversations.

probably a bad idea.


[edit on 5-2-2009 by undo]


its not really that, its that im too tired to get into a lengthy response lol



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by 5thElement

Originally posted by miriam0566
...but whats funny about this particular ¨contradiction¨, is that its not a contradiction.


So, the real question here is, are they any true contradictions in the Bible, or are they all just "contradictions" which are really not (and they all are easily "explained") ?


yea that is the question.

as i said before, the bible only claims to be inspired of god, not his dictation.

i used the example of solomons bathhouses. it really is inconsequential how many thousands he has. the point is, he had alot. and likely both numbers are wrong because they both appear to be rounded to the nearest thousand. but it really is inconsequential to one´s faith



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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Well, there was 1 quote earlier which I had planned to address, it seems a mod has come along and trimmed up the quotes and now only OT quotes remain, and I'm not that knowledgeable about the OT to reply now.

Guess I should have answered sooner.



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