Why would anyone say ‘religion’ is here…to ‘control’ people?, page 3
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reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 06:25 PM by OldThinker
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Thank you C for the answers....and your time...OT, too, is glad it loves us...


Have a good night!

OT


reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 06:28 PM by moocowman
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1) Do you think faith/religion is here to control the masses?
2) Why?
3) Your evidence?
4) Did you once believe?
5) Did you change?
6) Why are you an atheist?
7) Why are you an agnostic?
8) Why you are a christian?
9) What ‘SHOULD‘ God look like/act like/be like?


Hey OT how goes ?

1] Yes
2]Because it can
3]CONTROL 2 a: to exercise restraining or directing influence over : regulate b: to have power over : rule c: to reduce the incidence or severity of especially to innocuous levels
intransitive verb

10 Commandments

Golden calf

Sodom and G

Council of Nicea

Numbers 16:41-49 But on the morrow all the congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron, saying, Ye have killed the people of the Lord. And it came to pass, when the congregation was gathered against Moses and against Aaron, that they looked toward the tabernacle of the congregation: and, behold, the cloud covered it, and the glory of the Lord appeared. And Moses and Aaron came before the tabernacle of the congregation. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Get you up from among this congregation, that I may consume them as in a moment. And they fell upon their faces. And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a censer, and put fire therein from off the altar, and put on incense, and go quickly unto the congregation, and make an atonement for them: for there is wrath gone out from the Lord; the plague is begun. And Aaron took as Moses commanded, and ran into the midst of the congregation; and, behold, the plague was begun among the people: and he put on incense, and made an atonement for the people. And he stood between the dead and the living; and the plague was stayed. Now they that died in the plague were fourteen thousand and seven hundred, beside them that died about the matter of Korah.
To be continued --------

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9]commander Data

[edit on 4-2-2009 by moocowman]


reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 06:31 PM by OldThinker
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mooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It goes good, gotta go, for a while...I'll be back man!!

How's kids?

OT


reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 06:45 PM by virraszto
reply to post by OldThinker


I've been very into reading slave books and slave narratives. In the past couple days I've read Incidents in the life of a slave girl and Thirty Years a Slave. In quite a few of the books I've read, they mention this. They didn't want them to be able to read a bible because they would read other parts that didn't mesh with what they'd been told about slaves. Therefore, a slave owner controlled his mass of slaves with lies from the bible.

I agree with another poster who says that people are controlled by religion because they are told if they don't " accept god as their personal savior, they will go to hell eternally." That is controlling people by religion.


reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 07:17 PM by TheMythLives
reply to post by 420prajna


Christianity allows you to make that decision, like in todays world. You can kill someone and go to jail, there are necessary punishments would you want anyone to go around and steal or kill without punishment? Would you rather there not have be punishments? With freewill there comes tremendous responsibility and tremendous conseqeunces.

Luckily christianity says this what you need to do to go to heaven, follow it or not, it is your choice. Your personaly decsion.


reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 08:21 PM by badmedia
Originally posted by OldThinker
1) Do you think faith/religion is here to control the masses?

Tricky question. I don't think it's there for that purpose, but that purpose has surely been the purpose that has been put to the most use(read my sig).

Overall, I think I would have to lean to yes.


2) Why?


Well in my experience, you don't actually need religion or a book to obtain these things, there are basic things which can be natural if not filled with fear. Jesus says to seek the truth and so on. When you are talking about things like the holy spirit and the father, these are not physical things found in a book. These are real things. Also, when people get into idol worship and don't understand, they do not follow the path.


3) Your evidence?


All of history, up until today. Directly after the church is created we enter the dark ages. Where the prophecy of Jesus comes true at their hands, and anyone who does not agree with this new religion in the name of Christ is killed. As well, the physical image of Jesus among the church doesn't meet his actual description, he is portrayed as physically beautiful as a good idol needs to be. Focus is taken from the message to the idol, and people worship the bowl instead of drinking the milk. A narrow path was made broad to appease politicians.


4) Did you once believe?


Yes, and then I rejected it because of the hypocrisy of the church. Then I looked for the truth myself, and now I do not believe, I know.


5) Did you change?


I have changed a good bit since I gained understanding.


6) Why are you an atheist?
7) Why are you an agnostic?
8) Why you are a christian?


I like to say I'm not a christian, I actually follow Jesus.


9) What ‘SHOULD‘ God look like/act like/be like?


This question I find a bit odd. Like asking me if what it would look like if an ant ate his own head.


reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 08:53 PM by OldThinker
Originally posted by virraszto
reply to post by OldThinker


I've been very into reading slave books and slave narratives. In the past couple days I've read Incidents in the life of a slave girl and Thirty Years a Slave. In quite a few of the books I've read, they mention this. They didn't want them to be able to read a bible because they would read other parts that didn't mesh with what they'd been told about slaves. Therefore, a slave owner controlled his mass of slaves with lies from the bible.

I agree with another poster who says that people are controlled by religion because they are told if they don't " accept god as their personal savior, they will go to hell eternally." That is controlling people by religion.



First paragraph...sounds like an interesting read, for sure...

Second paragraph...posters didn't ORIGINATE either quote...have you seen John 14:6? Its hard to ignore, for me atleast...it says "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

NO ONE...those hard saying freak me out...but something says I better listen...I dunno?


reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 08:55 PM by OldThinker
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jf, aaww, the quote/response technique will come in time, don't worry...


Nice answers there...appreciate the time!

OT


reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 08:59 PM by OldThinker
reply to post by badmedia


badmedia, Always thoughtful responses from you...

Question...if you believe God is all powerful....and I think you do....could He not preserve his written message? Even with imperfect humans messing with it? Isn't that logical? Certainly He wouldn't allow 'HIS'message to be changed, if he wanted to convey, right?

OT


reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 09:30 PM by TravelerintheDark
reply to post by OldThinker


Thank you for sharing. Whatever we call ourselves, we largely agree on the most important level, as I see it.
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