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reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 05:59 PM by Zepherian
1) Do you think faith/religion is here to control the masses?

Yes, mostly.

2) Why?

Because human societies tend to be hierarquical structures, where the top layers control the lives of the bottom layers. It's just how we tend to organise ourselves, although there are exceptions, as was the case of the australian aborigines and other tribal people. Sometimes these hierarchies are stealth, you don't know they are there till you cross them. This is a higher up manifestation of a fractal antropological structure which comes all the way from primate male dominance, and probably beyond that.

3) Your evidence?

Just look at the structures envolved, the people envolved. As you climb up the hierarchy the individuals tend to become more perverse and shady, as they become more powerfull. From this, if you are honest about the analysis, you must realise that the people who control what is said about religion, what is written, what memes are dominant, are very suspect. Most faithfull don't talk to god, they talk to a priest about god, that is the problem.

Or, if you prefer, history and experience is my evidence.

4) Did you once believe?

In formal religion? Yes, when I was too young to know better.

5) Did you change?

I got old enough and smart enough to know better. Do realise I am talking about formal religions and the memetics of them. Personal spirituality is another thing. Also I was lucky enough to not be blitzed with enough mind control at an early age, because I moved around a fair bit.

6) Why are you an atheist?

I am not an atheist, I just refuse to be a mind slave, controlled by fear based ritualism and apocriphal scriptures.

7) Why are you an agnostic?

I am not sure this label applies, I seem to have a direct connection, don't need to wait and see, so to speak.

8) Why you are a christian?

I have sympathy for a lot of the words attributed to Jesus, but I suspect he is just a manifestation of a deeper archetype, which is one of the enlightened human being, who has found the power of love as a creational energy. So I am not christian in the reductionist sense, although I do think there *might* be something there.

9) What ‘SHOULD‘ God look like/act like/be like?

Don't ask me, look inside yourself and ask God. He's there waiting to talk to you, should you so ask. (Hint: he looks like everything and behaves like a universe).

Hope this helps in understanding these things. My take on God and spirituality is you need to free your mind and look inside yourself, to your heart. There you will find God. If you let someone else, anyone, position himself or herself between yourself and your own divine connection, then you're moving away from it, not to it. God is something personal, no institution will connect you to him better than you can connect to him yourself. So just quiet the mind and look inside. With patience results will come.

Cheers.


reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 06:03 PM by 420prajna
reply to post by virraszto



Aw, believing in an energy full of love totally contradicts the fear mentality that reuling elites wish you to have. i dont think you are doing your part for the economy...consume!


reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 06:17 PM by Zepherian
reply to post by OldThinker



One thing is to talk about religion with someone who gives insight and helps one's personal progress, another is to be sucked into a structure with it's own ritualism, it's own memetics, it's own hierarchy and it's own tax structure.

I think it's clear where the baby is and what is the bath water.


reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 06:21 PM by cancerian42
I didn't read all the posts-forgive me.
Originally posted by OldThinker
Any ATS regular or lurker can see OT is online to represent his savior….no bait and switch here. It’s pretty darn clear, agree?

Very clear. You need not even state it.

1) Do you think faith/religion is here to control the masses?
2) Why?
3) Your evidence?
4) Did you once believe?
5) Did you change?
6) Why are you an atheist?
7) Why are you an agnostic?
8) Why you are a christian?
9) What ‘SHOULD‘ God look like/act like/be like?


1. mostly
2. It is a win/win situation. The masses who want and need to be controlled are controlled by their religion and those who want and need to control others get their power from religion. For those who do not fit into these two categories which is the minority, they do not benefit.
3. So much effort and energy put into advertising religions and so many wars and disputes over "the one true religion" which they all claim to be. And they all close their minds to protect their beliefs from any contamination of other beliefs. Also, all the money spent on luxuries in centers of worship that make it seem more appealing to the customers (religious people) when they could possibly spend it on something that helps people that are in need. And throughout history people have used religions and God/Gods as their source of authority and thus as a tool to control the masses.
4. Believe in what? God? yes.
5. Constantly.
6. I'm not.
7. I'm not.
8. I'm not.
9. God should look/act/be as It pleases.




reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 06:22 PM by OldThinker
Originally posted by Zepherian
reply to
post by OldThinker



One thing is to talk about religion with someone who gives insight and helps one's personal progress, another is to be sucked into a structure with it's own ritualism, it's own memetics, it's own hierarchy and it's own tax structure.

I think it's clear where the baby is and what is the bath water.



Good point...

Were you Sucked in....?

Why?

How?

OT
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