reply to post by OldThinker
No I'm afraid. I don't think any of us have been posting much lately.
The story has several flaws:
Hypatia was not a young woman at the time, she was old.
Monks did not kill Hypatia, nor did the clergy, the Alexadrians led by a lector named Peter did it. The mob of monks that Mangasar is talking about were around several years before this scene in 419 A.D. and they rescued Christians from death at the hands of the Alexandrian Jews.
Cyril did not instigate the mob nor was he there/

My take is...if an all powerful deity wanted to convey a message to imperfect humans, He's figure out a way to preserve it...
Originally posted by Good Wolf
reply to post by OldThinker
My take is...if an all powerful deity wanted to convey a message to imperfect humans, He's figure out a way to preserve it...
... ?
Do you think this has happened or something? Why would he want to convey a message to 'imperfect' man anyway? Why not build the message into the being like programming. And also what is this about "imperfect" humans? You're trying to apply absolutes to nature - it doesn't work.
Good questions GW,
1) Yeah I believe it did happen, I believe God did preserve the intent of his message in the bible.
2) Why? Because He is LOVE
3) Programming? I think because as I "want" my children to love me, as opposed to pragramming them as robots that walk around citing..."I love OT, I love OT!" He wants us to want to seek Him
4) "Imperfect?" Romans 3:23
Not sure how to respond to the absolutes point...need some amplification if possible...
Originally posted by Good Wolf
....Also 'programming' doesn't mean 'drone'. The point was if he wants to preserve a message for us, programming it into life would be better than a book like the bible.
Yes, he is not limited to a book....he had programmed it into life as you have said, see...
Romans 1:20.... For the invisible things of him from-or "since"
Jamieson-Fausset says...
For the invisible things of him from-or "since"
the creation of the world are clearly seen-the mind brightly beholding what the eye cannot discern.
being understood by the things that are made-Thus, the outward creation is not the parent but the interpreter of our faith in God. That faith has its primary sources within our own breast (Ro 1:19); but it becomes an intelligible and articulate conviction only through what we observe around us ("by the things which are made," Ro 1:20). And thus are the inner and the outer revelation of God the complement of each other, making up between them one universal and immovable conviction that God is. (With this striking apostolic statement agree the latest conclusions of the most profound speculative students of Theism).
even his eternal power and Godhead-both that there is an Eternal Power, and that this is not a mere blind force, or pantheistic "spirit of nature," but the power of a living Godhead.
so that they are without excuse-all their degeneracy being a voluntary departure from truth thus brightly revealed to the unsophisticated spirit.
And respected Matthew Henry says..."
By what way and means these discoveries and notices which they had were confirmed and improved, namely, by the work of creation (v. 20); For the invisible things of God, etc.
(1.) Observe what they knew: The invisible things of him, even his eternal power and Godhead. Though God be not the object of sense, yet he hath discovered and made known himself by those things that are sensible. The power and Godhead of God are invisible things, and yet are clearly seen in their products. He works in secret (Job 23:8, 9; Ps. 139:15; Eccl. 11:5), but manifests what he has wrought, and therein makes known his power and Godhead, and others of his attributes which natural light apprehends in the idea of a God. They could not come by natural light to the knowledge of the three persons in the Godhead (though some fancy they have found footsteps of this in Plato's writings), but they did come to the knowledge of the Godhead, at least so much knowledge as was sufficient to have kept them from idolatry. This was that truth which they held in unrighteousness.
(2.) How they knew it: By the things that are made, which could not make themselves, nor fall into such an exact order and harmony by any casual hits; and therefore must have been produced by some first cause or intelligent agent, which first cause could be no other than an eternal powerful God. See Ps. 19:1; Isa. 40:26; Acts 17:24. The workman is known by his work. The variety, multitude, order, beauty, harmony, different nature, and excellent contrivance, of the things that are made, the direction of them to certain ends, and the concurrence of all the parts to the good and beauty of the whole, do abundantly prove a Creator and his eternal power and Godhead. Thus did the light shine in the darkness. And this from the creation of the world. Understand it either, [1.] As the topic from which the knowledge of them is drawn. To evince this truth, we have recourse to the great work of creation. And some think this ktisis kosmou, this creature of the world (as it may be read), is to be understood of man, the ktisis katÕ exocheµn-the most remarkable creature of the lower world, called ktisis, Mk. 16:15. The frame and structure of human bodies, and especially the most excellent powers, faculties, and capacities of human souls, do abundantly prove that there is a Creator, and that he is God. Or, [2.] As the date of the discovery. It as old as the creation of the world. In this sense apo ktiseoµs is most frequently used in scripture. These notices concerning God are not any modern discoveries, hit upon of late, but ancient truths, which were from the beginning. The way of the acknowledgement of God is a good old way; it was from the beginning. Truth got the start of error.
Source: biblecommenter.com...
GW, its all there...if we are looking...
You made some good points earlier....I'm just trying to get you past your paradigm....no pressure man, just sharing!
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