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"Enough Of This Crap"(actual title, not comment)

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posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by LLoyd45
I think the IRS should run audits on all individuals that wish to run for public office. They should be held to a higher standard of accountability than the common man on the street. They have the advantage of CPAs, accountants and tax attorneys to assist them.


I think that is an excellent idea. However, look who is in charge of the IRS now


Obama should have nipped this all in the butt before these people were even selected. Do a damn background check on your people. Good lord




posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 10:52 AM
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You have a point there.. We now have the fox guarding the chicken coop. If you can't figure out your own taxes with the assistance of an army of accountants, what exactly qualifies you to be in charge of the IRS?



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 10:54 AM
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Because Obama said so??

Because the Senate approved you??

Because you were the head of a Fed bank??

Or, because no one knows what the hell they are doing and who is doing it and how and why any more and just don't care as long as there is a talking head to fill the position???

....I go with the latter, myself....



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 11:01 AM
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What amazes me is that Obama went on a press junket yesterday evening to say that he "screwed up". Obama staunchly backed Daschle to the final moment before Daschle quit. How did he screw up? Oops I didn't mean to endorse him afterall.

Now, the MSM is trying to spin this around and his trying to make the GOP responsible for pushing Daschle out. Specifically MSNBC's ANdrea Mitchell

She then lectured, "So, this does read to the public as though the Republicans went after this man, someone that the President very much wanted, and brought him down."


If Obama screwed up with Daschle, why does Geithner still have a job? Better yet how is Rangle still Chairman of Ways and Means?

The double standard stinks to high heaven and America is finally starting to get a whiff of the Obama stink.

newsbusters.org...



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 11:23 AM
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"So you figure that when filling out their application, they wrote "Oh, by the way, I heven't paid my taxes in several years"? I kinda doubt it."

Allrighty then, I'll go with the spin that Daschle wasn't exactly revealing all about his past.

The 63 question vetting process questionnaire, the most comprehensive in history...must be crap.



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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My point was these sort of things happened to Bush and he was the antichrist/nwo.........
"not" someone who made a bad choice.

Obama chooses (now four people) who "ALL" have not paid their tax's/have tax issues.

That said, you are correct, their is 2 major differences.

1) Obama is being "forgiven" in the court of world/US opinion

2) Obama admits making bad choices-I really credit him for this-but, after a first few, you would think checking tax records of people he wants to appoint would be a no-brainer.

I am not anti-obama, I am getting very tired of his "god"like podium people have put him on.

He is making mistakes like Bush, he should be treated like Bush was/is.



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 01:41 PM
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The Obama stimulus package as well as his choice for staff are an outrage. There are actually people who continue to believe that Hussein is all about change. This person is a Socialist thru and thru. For those of you who actually put him in power. Thanks for your stupidity. You have enabled the liberal base of this nation to pave the way for our destruction.



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by subject x
I kinda doubt that Obama is aware that these people he's been choosing haven't been paying their taxes.

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He would ... be showing a tendancy towards all that "change" he's been talking about.

Making his choices from all the same old career DC crooks can only lead to further embarrassment for him, and a continuation of "buisiness as usual" corruption.


What do you expect from a Chicago self-aggrandizing hack? He actively courted these people precisely for the connections/political capital he could score without regard to "qualification."

The only change to expect, is his reversion to his socialist, racist orientations. Read his first book. All will be revealed. In his own words.

Not that his "word" means much to begin with.

deny ignorance

jw



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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Sad isn't it, now you can tell how bad in shape we are in this nation that if we have leaders that can not even pay their taxes can you imagine how the rest of the hard working Joe are doing?

Sad truly sad, but hey nobody cares how we the regular joes are doing.



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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S & F for you!
I'd have to vote for "Obama said so" and "No one knows ... ," equally. Everyone is bending over backwards to accomodate BHO, regardless of the job/legislation/results.

Killefer had her domestic help while she was "consulting the IRS! How dumb can you be, increasing IRS' enforcement at the same time you're consciously ignoring your own tax obligations?

I'm gonna go puke.

deny ignorance

jw


[edit on 4-2-2009 by jdub297]



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 04:09 PM
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You can google around...Bush lost two appointments to Tax Scandal, Clinton Maybe 3 or 4. It is a common political tactic to come at an appointee from this angle... (house keepers, nannies etc) all the more reason that the President should have been prepared, but he is a relative newbie to the DC Political game.

I appreciate him saying "I screwed up" It's refreshing to see a Potus own responsibility for errors...in actuallity it was his staffs responsibility to vet these guys for this kind of stuff and they failed.

The very fact that we are talking about it speaks to a greater transparency albeit in a bad light.

I agree I would like to see every single politician in DC vetted in a similiar manner...how many have immigrant housekeepers, undocumented help or back taxes owed?

I also think the Federal Tax code really, really sucks and needs a complete overhaul. Maybe if every Senator and Congressman were audited each year as a job requirement they might address the insanely convoluted tax regulations sooner than later


But as far as this making Obama some type of corrupt political same old, same old...the logic doesn't hold up..it in fact shows the contrary.

It does make his vetting staff look like amateurs...but after the past 8 years with Political Pros in office I am willing to stomach some miss-steps from a newbie staff.



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11
You can google around...Bush lost two appointments to Tax Scandal, Clinton Maybe 3 or 4. It is a common political tactic to come at an appointee from this angle... (house keepers, nannies etc) all the more reason that the President should have been prepared, but he is a relative newbie to the DC Political game. ...

But as far as this making Obama some type of corrupt political same old, same old...the logic doesn't hold up..it in fact shows the contrary.

It does make his vetting staff look like amateurs...but after the past 8 years with Political Pros in office I am willing to stomach some miss-steps from a newbie staff.


You've missed the point of this thread. Obama promised 'no lobbyists' and 'the highest ethics.'

BHO's granted "waivers" and "exceptions" to several appointees, despite lobbying activity and conflicts of interest. The tax issues are only a sub-text of the overlying duplicity.

Nobody "came at" his appointees; if anything, they've been deferred to! Daschle and Killefer took themselves out of the picture; there was no MSM pressure or even in Congress. Everyone agrees Daschle was "in."

We're only 2 weeks into the administration, and it already is going downhill. Next, we dictate to private businesses how they do business.

And blame it on "political newbies?" Give me a break! Rahm Emmanuel, Gibbs, Holder, et al are long-time DC players and/or Clintonistas. These aren't babes in the woods. They are only the bagmen for the boss. BHO has no integrity and you cheapen yours with blind blandishments and empty endorsements.

You're right about not being a 'D.C. insider' - he's only been there since last election -- but BHO is a product of the Chicago school of government that gave us too many self-serving politicos and cronies to list here.

jw

[edit on 4-2-2009 by jdub297]



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 10:46 PM
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Funny. All these well-known Washington Democrats who want to tax, tax, tax, and they don't pay their taxes.

Well hell, I could root for higher taxes too, if I didn't have to pay them. And even if I get caught as these clowns and our members of Congress get caught - hey - no penalty, no interest.

If Obama and his close staff aren't any better judges of character than that . . . my bad. That's right. He already was a bad judge of character . . . all his Chicago friends, bombers, reverands, etc.



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 11:10 PM
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Fact:

Bush, Obama, or anything other President appoints people like this and it gets no attention....

No one apologizes.

He apologizes to to get the heat off him which I admit is bold of him to at least admit he was wrong. I'll give him credit there.

But if this didn't get blown up in the media as it did we wouldn't even be discussing this right now.

There would be no apologies and we would have 4 tax evaders along with countless other corrupt pieces of trash running our government.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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Not to mention that these are the same people that push for higher taxes and a more complicated tax code.

It must be nice to say that the tax code is too complicated and use that as an excuse not to pay, maybe the general population should use that excuse also.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11
I appreciate him saying "I screwed up" It's refreshing to see a Potus own responsibility for errors...in actuallity it was his staffs responsibility to vet these guys for this kind of stuff and they failed.

The very fact that we are talking about it speaks to a greater transparency albeit in a bad light.

I also think the Federal Tax code really, really sucks and needs a complete overhaul. Maybe if every Senator and Congressman were audited each year as a job requirement they might address the insanely convoluted tax regulations sooner than later



I'm sorry but he only owned up because he was caught, not just once, but 4 times, as someone else has stated. That is certainly not anywhere near refreshing, in fact I would argue that it's quite stale.

I think you pointed out that Clinton and Bush had to go through the same thing right (Excuse me if you didn't make that point)? So that's supposed to make it ok that BO is going through the same thing? This is the man that ran on bringing change to Washington, yet the only change I see is a different face behind the podium.

The tax code does suck, I will agree with you on that. However as numerous others have said, that doesn't give me the right to not pay them. I'm expected to pay my taxes every year, and if I don't I get threatening letters telling me to pay them or else. I wonder if any of them have ever gotten those letters? I'd be willing to bet the haven't......

They are no different than you, me, or Wesley Snipes. I'm absolutely tired of being told to do something because I must, while they get to do pretty much whatever they want all on our dime. They are akin to the 40 year old fat guy freeloading off his parents, and I'm tired of supporting that kind of trash. I don't care who is in office.



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:59 PM
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This, to me, makes it even more sick:

Killefer(withdrew) was hired to 'beef-up' IRS enforcement against "high profile" cheats and evaders at the same time that Geithner (confirmed) and Daschle (withdrew) were skipping out on their taxes! What happened? Couldn't she do the job? If not, why was she hired as the "Performance" czar?

And yes, I have to wonder if there is/was a double standard, or maybe just another one of BHO's "exceptions" to the rules that apply to everyone else.

Deny ignorance.

jw



posted on Feb, 11 2009 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Maxmars
I will begin with my usual plea to recant this constant partisan garbage that seems surgically attached to the problem itself.

I personally don't care that the people President Obama had (or has) chosen to assist in administrating the executive functions of our government failed to pay their taxes.

What I care about is the incredible lack of attention paid to the effect that if it had been you or I we would be in jail, with garnished wages, and strangled financial freedom.

Yet these individuals are 'forgiven' their 'innocent' 'oversights' while we - the common tax-payers are prosecuted AND persecuted for even resisting the tax-code enforcement.



Not true. One year when I was in my twenties I worked as "contracter" at a business. I filed my return, got my refund and then a few days later I got my 1099 in the mail. The IRS caught it, I didn't go to jail, and I didn't get garnished wages. I made a payment plan to pay it back, and did.

The IRS gives you an opportunity to make up for your mistake.

I'm not defending the nominees, I'm just stating the facts.



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