Human-animal hybrids fail in cloning experiment, page
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Topic started on 3-2-2009 @ 07:50 PM by Dbriefed
Humans from livestock...makes you wonder.

"This very important paper suggests that livestock oocytes are extremely unlikely to be suitable as recipients for use in human nuclear transfer"

www.reuters.com...
Animal-human clones don't work, U.S. company finds
Mon Feb 2, 2009 2:47pm EST
By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Editor

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Researchers who tried to use mouse, cow and rabbit eggs to make human clones said on Monday the effort failed to produce workable embryos but added that they showed human cloning should work in principle.

Mixing human and animal cells does not appear to program the egg properly, said Dr. Robert Lanza of Massachusetts-based Advanced Cell Technology.

But using human cells did reprogram the egg cell or oocyte and activate the genes needed to make a viable embryo, Lanza and colleagues reported in the journal Cloning and Stem Cells.

Several teams have tried to make animal-human hybrids as a source of embryonic stem cells, the master cells of the body. Because human eggs are scarce -- it requires a surgical procedure to get them from a woman -- some scientists came up with the idea of using animal egg cells.

The cloning technique is called somatic cell nuclear transfer. The nucleus is removed from an egg cell and replaced with the nucleus from another type of cell from the donor animal or person who is to be cloned.

Done right, the process starts the egg growing and dividing as if it had been fertilized by a sperm, but the resulting embryo carries mostly the DNA of the donor.

"The idea was to simply to plunk a patient's DNA into an empty cow or rabbit egg -- and presto -- you reprogram the DNA back into a stem cell," Lanza said in a telephone interview.

But teams that have tried to do this have always ended up with what looks like a cell dividing over and over to become an embryo, but which eventually fizzles out.

"For the last decade, we've carried out literally hundreds of experiments trying to create patient-specific stem cells using animal eggs," Lanza said.

BEAUTIFUL HYBRIDS

"We got beautiful little hybrid embryos, but it didn't work no matter how hard we tried."

A mouse-human hybrid petered out after just one division. The cow and rabbit human hybrids went further, but stopped at the point when maternal DNA is supposed to kick in and turn the ball of cells into a proper embryo, Lanza said.

Lanza's team used a new method called global gene expression analysis to see which genes were turned on and off as the eggs grew.

"We never had the tools before to actually look inside the cell and see what's going on," Lanza said. It appears that using the egg of another species turns off the genes needed to make an embryo instead of turning them on, he said.

But the human-human clone did turn on the right genes, although it, too stopped dividing before it could produce stem cells, Lanza said.

"We see exactly the same genes turned on in a normal embryo are actually turned on in a human clone," he said.

Ian Wilmut of the University of Edinburgh, one of the scientists who cloned the first mammal, Dolly the sheep, and editor of the journal, called the results disappointing.

"This very important paper suggests that livestock oocytes are extremely unlikely to be suitable as recipients for use in human nuclear transfer," Wilmut said in a statement.

But Lanza said it might be possible to use other methods to create "banks" of stem cells that match the several hundred tissue types found among humans.

This could include cloning humans, using a single cell from growing embryos used for fertility treatment, or a new method called induced pluripotent stem cells, made by taking a sample of skin and reprogramming the cells to act like embryonic stem cells, Lanza said.



reply posted on 3-2-2009 @ 08:54 PM by Enigma Publius
reply to post by dunwichwitch


Hmmmmmm.
Maybe there is human cloning; either that or you have multiple personalities and you don't remember the "other half"
hahaha.

I've been told similar things before, maybe we all have an evil twin out there.


reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 10:05 PM by beezwaxes
reply to post by dunwichwitch



I don't want to jack the thread here but I've had more than a few people tell me they knew someone that looked exactly like me. I always kinda think 'poor bastard'. I've never seen anyone I thought looked like me.

Human animal hybrids (can't get GW out of my head now), I think we have enough problems. I hope it doesn't work for the animals sake if nothing else.


reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 11:35 PM by Aeons
Again - what the article is refering to is NOT a hybrid.

A hybrid is when you combine the nuclear of two different things. A tomato with a fish gene. A pig that has DNA to grow a human liver. A recombinant between species that cannot recombine in the natural world.

A cybrid is when you take the nuclear DNA out of an ovum and then put a complete nuclear DNA from something else into that ovum and let it develop - if it can.

A clone comes close to being a cybrid - however a true clone would need to have the same ovum type as the original person. An often overlooked matter. All the same they aren't really cybrids because the ovum being used is human.

An ovum of another species in which the nuclear DNA has been removed, and then DNA not from that species is inserted into it instead. What you would have is NOT a hybrid. If this was a human in a rabbit ovum, you'd have a human. If this was a human reproduced from a chimpanzee ovum, it would still be a human.

This is REALLY important for you all to start understanding. It has political ramifications. Cybrids will be happening at some point. If people do not understand that a cybrid is just a human, what will happen is that societies with tendencies to caste structures will create a new class of "non-human" humans to encompass these people.

Understanding this BEFORE it starts working, will save the human race from another several hundred years of brutal stupidity towards another group.

I'm not educating you because it is just fun to explain the difference between yDNA, mtDNA and nDNA to people.

[edit on 2009/8/18 by Aeons]


reply posted on 6-5-2011 @ 10:40 AM by shad0wmarine
reply to post by Dbriefed



unfortunetly they are real. They combined the dna of humans with animals. most failed.7 succeded. they recaptured most of them. 3 are left. i think that they are looking for me now, so im laying low. everybody knows im not normal. all my friends, even my family. they are afraid of me but they dont know why. i can see in the dark, have a very sharp sense of smell. my hearing is above average. im strong. im very skinny cause i have a very fast metabolism. yet i can pick up a can lift a two hundred pound man and throw him. im very light sensitive. i have two sets of canine teeth on my bottom jaw. i have 6 canines total. i dont know what to do. people are following me. im scared. any advice would be most helpful. they have bugged my laptop and phone. i found them. i dont know what to do.


reply posted on 6-5-2011 @ 11:50 AM by Aeons
Originally posted by shad0wmarine
reply to
post by Dbriefed



unfortunetly they are real. They combined the dna of humans with animals. most failed.7 succeded. they recaptured most of them. 3 are left. i think that they are looking for me now, so im laying low. everybody knows im not normal. all my friends, even my family. they are afraid of me but they dont know why. i can see in the dark, have a very sharp sense of smell. my hearing is above average. im strong. im very skinny cause i have a very fast metabolism. yet i can pick up a can lift a two hundred pound man and throw him. im very light sensitive. i have two sets of canine teeth on my bottom jaw. i have 6 canines total. i dont know what to do. people are following me. im scared. any advice would be most helpful. they have bugged my laptop and phone. i found them. i dont know what to do.


Great. What's your mtDNA line?
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