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President Obama to water down 'Buy American' plan after EU trade war threat

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posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 07:46 PM
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Well I hope all you who are so ardent about American patriotism own American made cars. They may not be the best, but my Ford I wouldn't trade for your Toyota. And yes, I know many of the parts are outsourced. But if I can get even a portion of the money into the hands of America, I'm gonna do it.

Some things mean more than just "the best the best for me" all the time. All my guitars are American too. And my recording gear. It DOES mean something. So practice what you preach. Please?




posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 07:47 PM
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Well color me unsurprised. This back-down while bowing and scraping is really no different than during the campaign when he made a reference to NAFTA needed to be re-examined and Canada spoke up.

Obama's reply was words to the effect of "don't worry Canada, it is just campaign rhetoric."

Buy American is a great slogan and a great mindset for rebuilding national confidence and wealth....Levi's? nope, not made domestically anymore. A new Chevy? nope, you will find more domestically made parts in a Nissan. A good old Maytag Washer and Dryer? nope, heche en mexico...hell there is still some debate as to if Obama himself is "American Made".

There is an even old story of Ohio not being officially ratified as a state, so I guess even this post is not even American in origin.


[edit on 3-2-2009 by Ahabstar]



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 07:48 PM
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reply to post by Gun Totin Gerbil
 


I so hope what you predict happens, we would be so much better off never having to deal with Europe's crap ever again. I think you all would do very well without us too, Eh comrade?



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 07:50 PM
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It's exactly because you guys produce diddly squat that you really don't want a trade war. What little you do produce and export will be tarriffed out of existence, further increasing your deficit. They are plenty of European companies that could take up the slack if US companies are priced out of the market.

reply to post by Frankidealist35
 


But the USA is allowed a say in Irans affairs, or Iraqs?

Or Afghanistans?

How about when you strongarmed us out of various technological projects in the 50's and 60's, taking the technology back to the US then selling it as your own?

Or when you FORCED the UK to give up our Empire so you could engage in unscrupulous trade practices and support brutal dicators who overthrew the democractic governments of our former colonies?

Or when you interfered and ruined the lives of millions of South Americans during the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's?

I could go on....

The monroe doctrine was about limiting the influence of the "Old World" in the "New", but when you quite happily engage in the very practices you sought to stop yourselves, I think you lost any semblance of a high ground.

And you tell me to go read history......



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 07:54 PM
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Europe's "crap"?

What do you mean by that?

We're one of your biggest, if not the biggest, trading partners...



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:00 PM
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But still Americas economy ailing is what it has brought the entire world to a stand still, or you have not noticed that.

More debt on America will only decrease the ability of America to buy foreign, still this will decimate more the economies of those that depend in America for their exports.

I will like for Americas economy to fall to the bottom and take all the greedy global elites with us.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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Canada is our number 1 in both imports and exports.

Even China imports more of our crap than the UK or Germany does individually.

source



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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Actually I agree with your previous post because i do know the history of Africa and yes my gov't did as you stated,not us mind you our shadow gov't that is pretty much mucking up everythin it touches. I didn;t mean your products but rather your socialist tendencies in gov't and lack of private enterprise and property, not just England over there mate.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:04 PM
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We didn't force you guys to give up your empire.

You just gave it up yourself.

We defeated you in the American Revolutionary war and declared our independence.

What you're asking out of us is to give up our goods when we need them for American families in a time of shortages on pretty much a lot of things.

I don't think you would do the same.

You're being a hypocrite.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:05 PM
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There would be uproar if europe said dont buy american, buy from your own country! It works both ways you know - oh ... except for the extradition treaty of course ( gary mckinnon ).


Sorry stumason, forgot to mention i agree with you


[edit on 3/2/09 by cropmuncher]



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:05 PM
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Well, times will be more difficult of course . But EU will have to look to other markets and Russia with it's energy sources and proximity are ideal . If it brings the Eu and Russia closer together , then I do not see that as a major problem, afterall , it is only US cold war rhetoric and it's intrinsic interests that endeavour to keep the EU and Russia apart . I could not say that it would be a better situation than our trade and economic model we have had with the US , but you have to grasp every opportunity you can in this economic climate . If it comes to pass that we develop better relations with the russians because of it , then it is our gain , and the US's loss .



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:06 PM
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posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:15 PM
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So this is how the third world war will start
It seems everyone is ticked of at us for everything and anything under the sun. We try to bring a little bit of manufacturing back to this country with buy American steel and this is what we get. This is a survival action on the part of the US. As I stated in another thread; The US use to produce and manufacture everything it needed to sustain itself in the world and could again if needed. Yes it would be a tough long road but if the world cuts us off then we could cut off a large portion of the worlds food supply as well. I don't like any of that but some countries are talking like a MOB boss trying to blackmail us into submission.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by Ahabstar
Canada is our number 1 in both imports and exports.


And we were quietly working ourselves up into a hissy fit about this. Even your ambassador to Canada, Michael Wilson, has been pleading to have this removed because of the harm it will do to the US.

Right now the US has a big trade deficit. The end result of that clause would be an even bigger trade deficit. I think it's a good idea to suck money out of other countries by selling them your goods, not recirculating your dollars round and round in a circle hoping they magically turn into more dollars when you aren't looking. *Disclaimer: as you may have noticed, I'm not an economist.



[edit on 3-2-2009 by Duzey]



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:19 PM
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Indeed, when you take each nation individually. But look at the top ten of both imports and exports. Three EU members in there. When you tally up total EU trade, you'll find I am quite right. Seeing as we're talking about the EU and US as two entities, then it is only right to compare trade on the same level, not on each individual member state.


Originally posted by Frankidealist35
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We didn't force you guys to give up your empire.

You just gave it up yourself.


Displaying your ignorance there. We were indeed forced to give up our Empire by the US in return for help during WW2. You even tried to get us to give you the enitre Caribbean in exchange for 40 obsolete WW1-era destroyers. The rest of the Empire was given up becuase it was one of the conditions upon joining the US created United Nations. You really do need to go and read up on post-WW2 history, you have huge gaps...


Originally posted by Frankidealist35
We defeated you in the American Revolutionary war and declared our independence.


Which you only managed with French help and because the bulk of British forces were actually busy fighting a worthwhile enemy in France than putting down a poxy rebellion. Have a pat on the back
In any case, we returned in 1812 and burnt down the White House, forcing your then President to flee Washington before he could even finsih his dinner....


What was the point in bringing up the War of Independence, exactly?


Originally posted by Frankidealist35
What you're asking out of us is to give up our goods when we need them for American families in a time of shortages on pretty much a lot of things.

I don't think you would do the same.

You're being a hypocrite.


How so, exactly? I'm not advocating restricting any trade with the US. In fact, more trade is what we need to be honest. None of this protectionist nonsense which helps nobody in the long run.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:29 PM
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reply to post by marg6043
 


I can go along with that. It makes sense.
Either way, It sucks for the American taxpayer.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by stumason
 



What you're asking out of us is to give up our goods when we need them for American families in a time of shortages on pretty much a lot of things.

I don't think you would do the same.

You're being a hypocrite.


I don't think people of the world envisage you at this stage just yet . When you can afford extravagent foreign wars then you surely must have other monies and goods to supply these american families in times of need .

[edit on 3-2-2009 by Gun Totin Gerbil]



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:37 PM
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We do not hate america, Europe mearly hated george bush.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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I don't think people of the world envisage you at this stage just yet . When you can afford extravagent foreign wars then you have surely must have other monies to supply these american families in times of need .


Come on, I know we don't garner alot of sympathy from across the pond
but you cant all seriously think what the gov't spends on their wars has our unanimous approval? There are alot of people not just americans that protest against the recent "free trade" agreements. They have cause as much pain to some as they have helped others, it's just another NWO manipulative agenda as far as i'm concerned.
I buy American whenever i can, because I see what sending manufacturing overseas has done, not because I hate europeans or their goods, I would expect most patriots of theri countries would want to do the same?



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:45 PM
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Who cares about approval . It is the allocation of resources that is the issue . Wether it is approved or not by the US citizens is entirely superfluous to an external audience.

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