reply to post by dawnslight
Yes, and this is not a one liner, just all I have to say on the subject for now.
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reply posted on 6-9-2009 @ 06:06 PM by 7redorbs
reply to post by dawnslight
I honestly believe that you were right to consider it a spiritual experience. I've had hyper fright before and it is not too great
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I honestly believe that you were right to consider it a spiritual experience. I've had hyper fright before and it is not too great
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reply posted on 6-9-2009 @ 07:06 PM by A Fortiori
reply to post by jackphotohobby
You have to be sleeping first, then wake up from the sleeping to experience sleep paralysis.
You have to be sleeping first, then wake up from the sleeping to experience sleep paralysis.
reply posted on 6-9-2009 @ 07:10 PM by A Fortiori
reply to post by dawnslight
I haven't read any "good" experiences, honestly, because even the good ones end up looking like those relationships your girlfriends have with bad boys, and yet they keep loving them like always...
I haven't read any "good" experiences, honestly, because even the good ones end up looking like those relationships your girlfriends have with bad boys, and yet they keep loving them like always...
reply posted on 9-9-2009 @ 05:59 PM by bonekeeper
reply to post by dawnslight
Just because you felt like you were completely alert, or even if you had stand up and was hiding behind a door or in the bathroom, it could all have been a mix of lucid-dreaming and sleep paralysis. Anyone who has experimented with hypnagogic states will know that mind and perception is a very tricky thing.
My guess is that at this point, you were already asleep... when you went to bed your body fell asleep quickly (you must've been tired because of the flight problems, etc) but your mind was still awake. You quickly entered into a dream state but since you were aware, it became a lucid dream. Since you were expecting to be in the hotel room, you saw yourself in the hotel room, in your bed, etc - except that, at this point, it was already a *lucid dream* and not your physical room.
The "alien", your being enveloped in a "protective cover", his not being able to find you because you didn't want it to, etc could all be part of the lucid dream experience - lucid dreams respond very well to our intent (again if you ever had one or more lucid dream you know what I'm talking about).
I had a similar experience once - I was in a hotel room in Zurich, laying down on the bed alone, eyes closed, building up courage to stand up and take a shower... then after a while I noticed that my wife was laying down on my belly and I was caressing her hair... then the thought hit me - "wait a second... my wife is not here!" - and then I saw this "thing" that I thought was my wife, had a hair like hers, etc, but her face was wrong, like disfigured... and I thought "argh!" and held it by the jaw and head and cracked her head open by pulling it apart. Then I woke up and knew that it was a lucid dream. We become more prone to lucid dreams when we find ourselves in an uncommon environment, for some reason (I'm not the first one to notice this). I knew what lucid dreams were so I didn't freak out thinking it was a demon or anything.
One interesting thing to try is this - when you get very very sleep, to the point where you can barely stay awake, go sit in a chair - enough to relax your body but impossible to fall asleep in - and try to stay awake. After a while (less than a minute) you should start to see some "hypnagogic imagery" of dreams, like... you'll be sitting in the chair and all of a sudden you'll see yourself in an island or a farm or something like that... then you know that you're dreaming... you'll slip back and forth into this state for a long time until your body gives away but your mind is awake and you'll be fully aware in this dream land, doing anything you wish (might even summon your alien friend back for a talk lol).
Think back on your experience and try to honestly remember whether you remember "waking up" after the experience... like... how long did it take for you to fall asleep after this experience ? Do you remember standing up after the "alien" was gone, then turning all lights on and freaking out as someone would usually do ? Did you try not to fall asleep anymore out of fear and just tried to stay awake by watching TV, postponing your sleep for the flight, like someone scared would do ?
Honestly, what do you think would be your normal reaction on such situation ? Would you just go back to sleep as if nothing happened or do your best to stay awake all night out of fear it might happen again ?
(continues...)
Ok, so, I got to bed, just lying there ready to fall asleep.... then. I feel this really scary feeling, I didn't understand why I was feeling this way.
Just because you felt like you were completely alert, or even if you had stand up and was hiding behind a door or in the bathroom, it could all have been a mix of lucid-dreaming and sleep paralysis. Anyone who has experimented with hypnagogic states will know that mind and perception is a very tricky thing.
My guess is that at this point, you were already asleep... when you went to bed your body fell asleep quickly (you must've been tired because of the flight problems, etc) but your mind was still awake. You quickly entered into a dream state but since you were aware, it became a lucid dream. Since you were expecting to be in the hotel room, you saw yourself in the hotel room, in your bed, etc - except that, at this point, it was already a *lucid dream* and not your physical room.
The "alien", your being enveloped in a "protective cover", his not being able to find you because you didn't want it to, etc could all be part of the lucid dream experience - lucid dreams respond very well to our intent (again if you ever had one or more lucid dream you know what I'm talking about).
I had a similar experience once - I was in a hotel room in Zurich, laying down on the bed alone, eyes closed, building up courage to stand up and take a shower... then after a while I noticed that my wife was laying down on my belly and I was caressing her hair... then the thought hit me - "wait a second... my wife is not here!" - and then I saw this "thing" that I thought was my wife, had a hair like hers, etc, but her face was wrong, like disfigured... and I thought "argh!" and held it by the jaw and head and cracked her head open by pulling it apart. Then I woke up and knew that it was a lucid dream. We become more prone to lucid dreams when we find ourselves in an uncommon environment, for some reason (I'm not the first one to notice this). I knew what lucid dreams were so I didn't freak out thinking it was a demon or anything.
One interesting thing to try is this - when you get very very sleep, to the point where you can barely stay awake, go sit in a chair - enough to relax your body but impossible to fall asleep in - and try to stay awake. After a while (less than a minute) you should start to see some "hypnagogic imagery" of dreams, like... you'll be sitting in the chair and all of a sudden you'll see yourself in an island or a farm or something like that... then you know that you're dreaming... you'll slip back and forth into this state for a long time until your body gives away but your mind is awake and you'll be fully aware in this dream land, doing anything you wish (might even summon your alien friend back for a talk lol).
Think back on your experience and try to honestly remember whether you remember "waking up" after the experience... like... how long did it take for you to fall asleep after this experience ? Do you remember standing up after the "alien" was gone, then turning all lights on and freaking out as someone would usually do ? Did you try not to fall asleep anymore out of fear and just tried to stay awake by watching TV, postponing your sleep for the flight, like someone scared would do ?
Honestly, what do you think would be your normal reaction on such situation ? Would you just go back to sleep as if nothing happened or do your best to stay awake all night out of fear it might happen again ?
(continues...)
reply posted on 9-9-2009 @ 07:16 PM by arbiture
reply to post by dawnslight
When ever someone mentions an event it's hard for some people to deal with, the reaction can be rude, crude or just plain infantile. An experience others can not relate to sometimes produces nervous laughter, an infuriating experience. When people encounter situations with the unusual (to them), they are not laughfing at you, they are NOT laughfing with you. It's just another way of feeling a deep, intrinsic, undefinable fear.
This is something I understand with great intamacy. I have never seen a UFO, been abducted, etc. (at least as far as I know). Oh, from an intellectural point of view, I'd love to see one, get on board, and hope I remember to bring my film and not digital camera since I have a feeling electronics would not work. I don't think people have been rude to you, (at least to me...), but it is only reasonable to expect a wide rage of respose's to something that is very spooky.
I understand it because I have a 25yr history of sceizures. Spare all the gory details, but there are many types of sciezures, even pleasant ones. In my case, I have both petit/grand-mal sciezures. The real nasty part is, for me the part of the brain that controls the most primitive, fundemental feelings of death, as in "I am going to die", are associated with the feeling just before I fall down and slam my head into the pavement. The fear is just beyond description.
But people usually do not make fun of epileptics. This is a site where your going to get every opinion, wether you like it or not. Most people here are OK. But be to suprised if people ask lots of questions. Be open to that. A lot of times don't take it as a an insult if people sometimes get a bit "smart ass" with you. Fear will do that everytime. Please forgive spelling, it's almost as bad as my hand writing. Kind Regards.
When ever someone mentions an event it's hard for some people to deal with, the reaction can be rude, crude or just plain infantile. An experience others can not relate to sometimes produces nervous laughter, an infuriating experience. When people encounter situations with the unusual (to them), they are not laughfing at you, they are NOT laughfing with you. It's just another way of feeling a deep, intrinsic, undefinable fear.
This is something I understand with great intamacy. I have never seen a UFO, been abducted, etc. (at least as far as I know). Oh, from an intellectural point of view, I'd love to see one, get on board, and hope I remember to bring my film and not digital camera since I have a feeling electronics would not work. I don't think people have been rude to you, (at least to me...), but it is only reasonable to expect a wide rage of respose's to something that is very spooky.
I understand it because I have a 25yr history of sceizures. Spare all the gory details, but there are many types of sciezures, even pleasant ones. In my case, I have both petit/grand-mal sciezures. The real nasty part is, for me the part of the brain that controls the most primitive, fundemental feelings of death, as in "I am going to die", are associated with the feeling just before I fall down and slam my head into the pavement. The fear is just beyond description.
But people usually do not make fun of epileptics. This is a site where your going to get every opinion, wether you like it or not. Most people here are OK. But be to suprised if people ask lots of questions. Be open to that. A lot of times don't take it as a an insult if people sometimes get a bit "smart ass" with you. Fear will do that everytime. Please forgive spelling, it's almost as bad as my hand writing. Kind Regards.
reply posted on 9-9-2009 @ 07:16 PM by arbiture
reply to post by dawnslight
When ever someone mentions an event it's hard for some people to deal with, the reaction can be rude, crude or just plain infantile. An experience others can not relate to sometimes produces nervous laughter, an infuriating experience. When people encounter situations with the unusual (to them), they are not laughfing at you, they are NOT laughfing with you. It's just another way of feeling a deep, intrinsic, undefinable fear.
This is something I understand with great intamacy. I have never seen a UFO, been abducted, etc. (at least as far as I know). Oh, from an intellectural point of view, I'd love to see one, get on board, and hope I remember to bring my film and not digital camera since I have a feeling electronics would not work. I don't think people have been rude to you, (at least to me...), but it is only reasonable to expect a wide rage of respose's to something that is very spooky.
I understand it because I have a 25yr history of sceizures. Spare all the gory details, but there are many types of sciezures, even pleasant ones. In my case, I have both petit/grand-mal sciezures. The real nasty part is, for me the part of the brain that controls the most primitive, fundemental feelings of death, as in "I am going to die", are associated with the feeling just before I fall down and slam my head into the pavement. The fear is just beyond description.
But people usually do not make fun of epileptics. This is a site where your going to get every opinion, wether you like it or not. Most people here are OK. But be to suprised if people ask lots of questions. Be open to that. A lot of times don't take it as a an insult if people sometimes get a bit "smart ass" with you. Fear will do that everytime. Please forgive spelling, it's almost as bad as my hand writing. Kind Regards.
When ever someone mentions an event it's hard for some people to deal with, the reaction can be rude, crude or just plain infantile. An experience others can not relate to sometimes produces nervous laughter, an infuriating experience. When people encounter situations with the unusual (to them), they are not laughfing at you, they are NOT laughfing with you. It's just another way of feeling a deep, intrinsic, undefinable fear.
This is something I understand with great intamacy. I have never seen a UFO, been abducted, etc. (at least as far as I know). Oh, from an intellectural point of view, I'd love to see one, get on board, and hope I remember to bring my film and not digital camera since I have a feeling electronics would not work. I don't think people have been rude to you, (at least to me...), but it is only reasonable to expect a wide rage of respose's to something that is very spooky.
I understand it because I have a 25yr history of sceizures. Spare all the gory details, but there are many types of sciezures, even pleasant ones. In my case, I have both petit/grand-mal sciezures. The real nasty part is, for me the part of the brain that controls the most primitive, fundemental feelings of death, as in "I am going to die", are associated with the feeling just before I fall down and slam my head into the pavement. The fear is just beyond description.
But people usually do not make fun of epileptics. This is a site where your going to get every opinion, wether you like it or not. Most people here are OK. But be to suprised if people ask lots of questions. Be open to that. A lot of times don't take it as a an insult if people sometimes get a bit "smart ass" with you. Fear will do that everytime. Please forgive spelling, it's almost as bad as my hand writing. Kind Regards.
reply posted on 9-9-2009 @ 10:30 PM by bonekeeper
reply to post by dawnslight
As I said, it is possible to fall asleep without knowing, have a lucid dream and slip back to the physical world without noticing, with a very smooth, unnoticed transition. It has happened to me before, several times. If you insist that even though you know it is possible, this was not the case, then I'll trust you. You know yourself and your experience better than anyone, so if you, in all your self-honesty, truly knows that you were not asleep with 100% of certainty, then I trust you.
This makes the story more interesting, then!
That's good - no man standing on his own ground should depend on other people's belief or sympathy!
---
Now, since you didn't talk about it, could you still answer my questions, since I'm really interested in this ? To quote them:
Thanks for sharing your experience !
[edit on 2009-9-9 by bonekeeper]
I had not fallen to sleep.
As I said, it is possible to fall asleep without knowing, have a lucid dream and slip back to the physical world without noticing, with a very smooth, unnoticed transition. It has happened to me before, several times. If you insist that even though you know it is possible, this was not the case, then I'll trust you. You know yourself and your experience better than anyone, so if you, in all your self-honesty, truly knows that you were not asleep with 100% of certainty, then I trust you.
I had no interest in aliens before this event.
This makes the story more interesting, then!
Ok. Everyone can have an opinion. Yep, each person can. I will take it all in stride... I can smile this time too rather than months back when I first shared this.
That's good - no man standing on his own ground should depend on other people's belief or sympathy!
---
Now, since you didn't talk about it, could you still answer my questions, since I'm really interested in this ? To quote them:
Think back on your experience and try to honestly remember whether you remember "waking up" after the experience... like... how long did it take for you to fall asleep after this experience ? Do you remember standing up after the "alien" was gone, then turning all lights on and freaking out as someone would usually do ? Did you try not to fall asleep anymore out of fear and just tried to stay awake by watching TV, postponing your sleep for the flight, like someone scared would do ?
Honestly, what do you think would be your normal reaction on such situation ? Would you just go back to sleep as if nothing happened or do your best to stay awake all night out of fear it might happen again ?
Thanks for sharing your experience !
[edit on 2009-9-9 by bonekeeper]
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