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A Story For All The Revolutionary Types To Consider

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posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 08:57 PM
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If religion was the opiate of the masses in 20thC, the internet is ours.

"I am typing something on the internet, I am a free and sovereign person with inalienable rights! So I choose to sit behind a computer and type hollow words into a medium that's about as impermanent as a teenager's virginity."




posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 10:08 PM
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As a Canadian, my revolutionary aspirations take a somewhat
different tack than down "South of the 49th"...and being a more
socialistic country, my desires are also different that the very
individualistic nature of most Americans. I happen to like
being taken care of from cradle to grave!

In fact, I am here on this forum, and only a tiny little bit in jest,
asking you how do I join the "The Oppressors" and the New World
Order (NWO) that so many rail about (make that a-boot!).

I am sick & tired of being a mere cog within the underground
revolution and in fact, I wish to switch sides! I want to JOIN
the fascist, butt-kicking, jack-booted thugs so that
I may express my innate desire to kick some serious A**
and make bucket-loads of cash which I can then spend
friviously on booze, babes, Big Flat screen TV's and
$1000 Super Bowl tickets, not to mention the orgiastic parties
of Miami with the Paris Hiltons of the world!

I mean really! Why should I have to scrounge, keep my
head low, and my nose to the grindstone when I can get
PAID very well to kick all the A** I want after I break down
your cheap foam-core doors with no search warrant in hand!

I mean SCREW the 4th Amendment or the First one for
that matter because we all KNOW that you ain't really FREE
and that Constitution is just a piece of old tea-stained paper!
It's not like the Bill of Rights really matter ya know!

Anyways, since you is all hocked up past the wazoo to DA MAN
why not join the party and jet way past the Joneses!
Why SHOULD I BE A PEON when I can BE Da Man
taking MORE than my fair share. Heck My MIGHT makes
ME right and my H&K or P90 is a pretty good stick
to carry around if I don't like the look you might
wanna give me! Go ahead MAKE my DAY!

So what the Hell do I have to do to join this New World Order
and thought-wise narcoticize myself even further than
I already am so I can get a MUCH BIGGER PAYCHECK
than today? Who do I call? What do I need to DO to
get in on the action cuz bein a peon is for chumps
when it's far better to join Da Man!

How about some pointers here and if Da Man is watchin
how about given me the low-down on how to join the team
and get the action I WANT and DESERVE cuz like I said,
it's YOUR pain for MY GAIN and THAT'S the way I like it!!!!!!!

Thx

from

Sick of being a Peon
and what's so wrong with being
a cool-looking cammo-dude in jack boots?

P.S. Guys with Uniforms get all da good lookin chicks!



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 10:34 PM
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Until the government decides you are expendable. The government cradles you because they need you to support their way of life. Once you don't support their way of life, they really don't need you anymore.

Maybe you see an injustice against your family member or friend and want to speak out against it, that is when it is nice to not be dependent upon somebody else.

Long as you depend on them, you are their pawn, and pawns usually get sacrificed to save a more important piece. Just remember that.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar

Let us all hope that voices like Ron Paul and Peter Schiff are heard and heeded before it is to late.

[edit on 3-2-2009 by Anonymous Avatar]


It is too late.

I'm going out on a rotted limb here.

Besides overthrowing the government with violence, there may be only one other chance to undo the damage done by those who must remain nameless. That other way may only occur with the help of the House, Senate and President. An amendment must be created to election law which puts the power of firing any and all government officials with a popular vote of the people in a special ballot. No impeachment hearings. No lengthy (three or four year) delays.

For example: You lied to congress and the American people about the existence of evidence of terrorists and WMDs in Iraq. By a special ballot and emergency vote of the American people with at least 51% in agreement, YOU'RE FIRED! If you lied in the campaign, YOU'RE FIRED! If you don’t try for the goals you promised us, YOU'RE FIRED! And then: Mr. Vice President, you're in charge now. Don't frack up.

This amendment must also include a none-of-the-above option on all ballots, allowing citizens of any state and the country to scrap all candidates and start with all new ones in the event the ones running are undesirable. If none-of-the-above wins either or both the popular votes and Electoral College, all candidates have lost and may not run again that term but new ones may.

A mandate must be made to review all current laws and acts, within a set time frame of so many years, to determine their constitutionality based on the original document and the original description of previous amendments. This could be done, in most part, by law students until a law is discovered to be unconstitutional. That law/act then would receive a trial by jury to be determined if it is to be removed. A jury of citizen then decides its fate.

If such an amendment isn't possible and any of you are actually plants for the government then you should arrest me now because the only other option is to hunt you down and try then execute YOU for treason. Let me know and I'll draw you a map.

Give me liberty or I'll take it by force...



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 12:24 AM
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1st: Betray your family.
2nd: Be rich.
3rd: Sell your soul to Hell.

That's what you need to do.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 01:07 AM
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God, that is insidious. Also completely nuts. Revolution by way of an armed insurrection is not possible. Uncle Sam can see where they buried their homemade ammunition, and has been able to do that from space since the 90s or even earlier.

The world will belong to whomever can make the stronger case, and what has traditionally been considered strength is no longer strength at all, but weakness. The ones who rally to violence, coercion, and usury - even if they play chess - are going to lose.

"Appeal to the stick" has been considered a logical fallacy for a thousand years, but it has had such a long and successful run that there are those who cannot imagine that it will ever lose its efficacy. That failure of imagination is also a failure of faith.

Insecurity breeds violence. My advice to the young and disgruntled chap is to give away your intel. Give it all away like you have nothing to hide and nothing to protect. It's true, after all. Life isn't worth living if you aren't living free. Draw a line in your heart and put violence on the other side of that line. Presume to speak from the dominant moral position and do no give up ground for some insecure thug whose last hope is that stick.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by applebiter
God, that is insidious.


What is insidious? Are you talking about the thread post or any of the posted replies?

I prescribe to the theory that if the nation can be reverted back to one of freedom peacefully then no violence is necessary. It may take the same amount or more time to do it than what it took to steal our rights but we have to know when we are regaining ground to calculate how much time it will take. Right now that time is about 65 years. It would take at least 65 years to undo the damage done by these criminals in the Government. Violence is a strategic tool to be use like any other tool in a revolutionary's handbag. There is a time and a place for everything but preparation is necessary. If all a citizen can do is to build an arsenal then do it. Do it quietly but do it. One day it may be needed and you will be remembered in history as a visionary for your fore-sight but it's no good to anyone if you spout off and it is all lost from the cause.

Me, I'm all talk. I have no tools by which to go to war with. I have neither wit nor any weapons to face them down with. What I do have is my spirit, logic and rage.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 09:28 AM
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The original post is insidious because it seems to come from a trustworthy and wise POV.

Look, the advice to not speak openly about armed revolution is good advice, but better advice would be not to even consider it.

Do not silence yourself and join into secretive groups. Speak openly and frankly about what you think is wrong with this country. Speak like you are somebody. The moment folks begin to cower or to hide their feelings as if there were something to be afraid of is the very moment that we lose.

It costs the government (or whomever) dearly to have to silence people or arrest them for their political views. Make them pay. Make it not a worthwhile pursuit for them.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 10:16 AM
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It’s a great post and wise and sage advice to be sure. It is sound doctrine if you want to believe the only way it ever gets better is through a violent form of event that the government instigates.

It is the dawn of a brand new age though, of Aquarius not Obama!

And I honestly have just a couple respectful reservations about the otherwise sound advice you are giving.

My first reservation is all major conflicts typically start with preparing hearts and minds. Hate this person, that group, this country, that religion, we must have revenge, payback, justice we must be secure!

Gaza showed the Internet is screwing that up. Right now the Internet exists. At a computer with Internet Access I am on equal footing as any Government, Corporate or Military Agent at a computer with Internet Access when it comes to posting propaganda for hearts and minds. I could sway just as many people with my computer as they can with theirs. I can even gauge who is influencing the broadest amount of forum participants by just scanning the posts. I can determine the effectiveness of my arguments and so can they.

I could be wrong, but I suspect one of the reasons Israel gave up on Operation Cast Lead well short of it’s objectives was because it was loosing the broader war for hearts and minds and was gauging that and realizing in that process, we don’t have the long term broad support for what we want to do. We have to pull back.

Young people aged 18 to 30 are more prone to get news in information from the Internet than turning on CNN, FOX or CBS. They are more likely to get it from a online source that encourages readers and members to post comments about the story. Some of them actually out of boredom, concern or curiosity will even browse the first several comments posted by other readers to the article, that appear right below the article.

Wild cards! The Madison Avenue types gave you that slick presentation you wanted, all the right key words and talking points, right down the background music complete with the subliminal to set the stage for the seed.

You are sure you have it all wrapped up, everyone understands this sacrifice or action is vital.

Then along comes the leftist commie hippie radical. The guy actually read some real books while smoking dope. Somehow the brain cells that captured it haven’t been destroyed yet and he is even spewing forth obscure but troubling facts that erode the legitimacy and value of your nice expensively produced propaganda message just from his dope addled memory and seems to be typing his responses to the disinformation agents faster than they can post them and in more depth and with a lot more credible appearing information.
An IP Search says the commie creep is at 555 Main Street, Some Town, USA. Yes he could have an accident, but not quick enough to stop from loosing the hearts and minds he is stealing from you right now with this absurd thing called fact and truth. It’s all subjective, what do people really know anyway? This commie leftist dope smoking hippie creep has no right!

He does though! So do you and so do I and yes, if the Government ever instigates that push for total control we all get to be objects of special attention.

The Powers that Be have long dreamed of open world domination and one world government and absolute control. They work their lives away on it generation after generation in a very tedious struggle of winning hearts and minds. Setting the stage, prepping the ground, cultivating the attitudes and perspectives to make it logistically possible, while always measuring and determining is the time ripe, is everything in place.

No it sure isn’t. Those rotten no good hippie leftist radicals are all over the place out there and too many people have listened to them. We can’t pull if off yet, we don’t have enough hearts and minds won to the overt actions we need to take; these darn hippies are slaughtering us with words not bullets.

The pen is truly mightier than the sword. The Internet is the ultimate weapon. It is the ultimate weapon for the goal of every war, winning the hearts and minds that allow you to win some form of productive and profitable peace through violent aggression.

No it’s not as exciting and action packed as First Blood or To Die Another Day. You develop no muscles from lifting heavy gear or get gun oil smudge stains on them and your face to make girls swoon and your masculinity.

Imagine this though, if Israel pulled out of Gaza early because of bloggers defeating their propaganda, then how many people are alive today that wouldn’t be if not for that effort?

In my opinion more than enough to warrant my happy inclusion on that list that a despotic group or government might want to settle the score with some day.

The day their pen is mightier than mine and they know hearts and minds are for it.

World War III is being fought right here online. In my humble opinion Gaza displays the value and importance of that fight.

Like Carol O’Conner’s character in Kelly’s Heroes who screams out “Booker the war is on over here not where you think it is! Now get me my box of medals and get me over there”



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 12:14 PM
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So by correcting our moral compass to not even consider violence as an option, but to go forth and speak openly in the face of those people who control your life, with no regard for your own safety, is the best route? If you do not see the flaw in this then you have no idea what you are dealing with sir. So if I follow your advice, I should throw all ideas of violence, in any form out of my head. i wont even consider it in what I consider self defense. Then I shall go forth and yell my thoughts unscrupulously towards the man. Because in my heart, because I know that my moral compass is in fact correct, they will not hurt me. They will simply listen to my screams of indignation and let it be that. I think not my naive friend. I think i shall keep my thoughts to myself, and my friends, and I SHALL consider any options I deem necessary in the front to win back control, REAL control of our country, countries, and the world. You think that by simply expressing myself, I can make change. Maybe if the people listening actually cared, and they don't! You are naive and innocent if you believe my voice alone, with no action, can cause change. Or maybe you are more intelligent then I give you credit. Maybe you simply think that you can dissuade us, by telling us the moral way is in the peaceful way. This is a nice thought, but highly unlikely to be the situation at hand. You simply want us to expose our self's, to throw ourselves at the feet of the beast and wish for the best. You my friend will not succeed with your simple antics. This thread like any other can be monitored, and I and everyone on it can be blacklisted. But is people like Daystar, truly noble people, who will risk themselves to inform others, to help protect them, for we all share the same interests. We all wish to have what is ours, our freedom our lives as they were meant to be, back. So cease with your simple antics and come back with a new, more inspiring paragraph or two, and I might actually think you innocent and only live in bliss. Otherwise come back with your same argument, your same useless points of advice, and let us know you are not our friend, only a peon of something worse.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by Terra Nuovo Umanita
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So by correcting our moral compass to not even consider violence as an option, but to go forth and speak openly in the face of those people who control your life, with no regard for your own safety, is the best route?


Yes.


If you do not see the flaw in this then you have no idea what you are dealing with sir.


On the contrary, sir.


So if I follow your advice, I should throw all ideas of violence, in any form out of my head. i wont even consider it in what I consider self defense.


Getting warm, here. I suppose it depends on what you consider self defense. Rather, it depends on what you see as a threat. There have always been people who have said "I will have to use ugly means to achieve good ends" or "untie our hands so that we can do wrong in order to ultimately do right". This has been a successful tack, and all kinds of paranoiacs and megalomaniacs have been able to use it to seize control over the uncertain in times of insecurity. I'm telling you it is simply wrong. Our values are both the means and the ends. If you toss them, you have tossed everything that was worth protecting in the first place. You will have reduced civilization down to two groups of feral, brutish, and stupid men who, no matter how sophisticated their tools, have no conception of what is good.



Then I shall go forth and yell my thoughts unscrupulously towards the man. Because in my heart, because I know that my moral compass is in fact correct, they will not hurt me. They will simply listen to my screams of indignation and let it be that.


I think that yelling is not always appropriate. Sometimes, the way to win is to be the calm one who never strays from reason into emotion during a debate.


I think i shall keep my thoughts to myself, and my friends, and I SHALL consider any options I deem necessary in the front to win back control, REAL control of our country, countries, and the world.


Ah, well, there it is. You don't feel like you're in control. That's called insecurity, my friend, and no amount of power over others will hide this weakness, but rather amplify it instead.


You think that by simply expressing myself, I can make change. Maybe if the people listening actually cared, and they don't! You are naive and innocent if you believe my voice alone, with no action, can cause change.


Yes, I do. A man can be better when he is told what he is like.


Or maybe you are more intelligent then I give you credit. Maybe you simply think that you can dissuade us, by telling us the moral way is in the peaceful way.


All of my strength can be summed up in one sentence: I am not special. You have no idea how free and strong I am made by this simple truth.


This is a nice thought, but highly unlikely to be the situation at hand. You simply want us to expose our self's, to throw ourselves at the feet of the beast and wish for the best.


The beast? If there is such a thing as "the beast" (apart from Caesar), then it is the animal whom we accompany all day, every day of our lives. In other words, the beast is the lesser mind within every human animal; feral, brutish, and stupid. It knows only sex, dominance, and appetite. When I say don't succumb to violence, I'm saying don't succumb to this beast.


You my friend will not succeed with your simple antics. This thread like any other can be monitored, and I and everyone on it can be blacklisted.


I love a captive audience.


So cease with your simple antics and come back with a new, more inspiring paragraph or two, and I might actually think you innocent and only live in bliss.


Bliss? Occasionally. Innocent? Hardly. I hope I have given you a couple of worthwhile paragraphs.


Otherwise come back with your same argument, your same useless points of advice, and let us know you are not our friend, only a peon of something worse.


Sorry, but as I said before, I am not special. I suppose that makes me a peon.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 02:40 PM
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Just to make sure....you do realize my earlier post was SARCASM?
Right? ........I just wanna make sure of that!!!!



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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Ok my friend, let us look at this reply you have posted. Am I wrong to assume it is a bit snippy?



Yes, I do. A man can be better when he is told what he is like.


Do not fret friend, not everyone has to be special. Merely being a peon does have its advantages I suppose. But i like to think I am special, if not in the best ways. But the question is not whether you or I am special, it is about if we make a difference. As we can all see now you have no intention of that, but I wont raise the question of why you are on this thread if your only here to ride a ripple, and not add to it. Hmm, maybe I will?



Rather, it depends on what you see as a threat.


I would quote the rest but its only a brash ramble in which you tried to explain social tendencies and how we can only be divided into 2 groups. Rubbish.

Now as for what to consider a threat. Hmm, this is kind of a hard one. I could list a few for you. Lets start with this:



Speak openly and frankly about what you think is wrong with this country. Speak like you are somebody. The moment folks begin to cower or to hide their feelings as if there were something to be afraid of is the very moment that we lose.


Maybe people hide in fear because of this:



It costs the government (or whomever) dearly to have to silence people or arrest them for their political views. Make them pay. Make it not a worthwhile pursuit for them.


Hmm, how many people must be arrested, detained, or silenced before it is not profitable anymore. id imagine it is quiet a larger number no? And seeing as how the government is so good at what they do, it is not like anyone notices a few missing people,, or a few terrorist. Who cares right. BECAUSE they don't know. Those guys, mm, must be not worth it getting what they want at such a price. Tsk Tsk.

Now for the remark about our values. it is our values in life that we are struggling to protect. By defending ourselves, and by "huddling" and putting ourselves down in groups, we are doing what we can to think of a way to reclaim these values we hold so dear, but are stripped form us. Of course we don't want to go to jail, or be killed. Who would? This is why we are secretive, this is why we try to lay low.



Ah, well, there it is. You don't feel like you're in control. That's called insecurity, my friend, and no amount of power over others will hide this weakness, but rather amplify it instead.


Ahh about that insecurity... how many times must you put down someone to feel secure in your own right. Maybe you could answer this for me as well when you respond, since you seem so good at snapping out remarks
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Yes, I do. A man can be better when he is told what he is like.


Ahh so Hitler was right when he told the German Jews through his actions that were not worthy of life. That is why they did so well in those joyous winter camps. Hmm, so if I were told I were a genius, I would do better? I wish I heard that more often




All of my strength can be summed up in one sentence: I am not special. You have no idea how free and strong I am made by this simple truth.


So much for strength, I figured someone would show a little more self enthusiastic remarks. I mean obviously you know the right way. Show a little confidence
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I love a captive audience.


I am sure they love their tools too.



Sorry, but as I said before, I am not special. I suppose that makes me a peon.


I guess you are. Hmm, I would be saddened if I did not know better, but it is men like you who make it harder to reach our goals, and it is men like you that we should not pay attention too. Bow to the audience, and listen to the silence.

[edit on 5-2-2009 by Terra Nuovo Umanita]



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 06:24 PM
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I have no idea what you are talking about anymore.

Maybe you are very young, and you imagine yourself as some kind of hero or adventurer. Maybe you imagine that. Your tone is kind of haughty and pretentious - like you've been reading too many fantasy fiction books where people address each other in hyper-formal or stylized ways. In other words, I would bet dollars to doughnuts that you don't actually speak like that in person. Which tells me that there is a pretty good gap between the "real" you and the ATS you. On ATS, you are Sir Galahad or something. It's all good - you can be what ever you want to be, but understand that the real world can reach in and grab you by the throat and squeeze until you urinate on yourself. This is not all fantasy, kiddo. Granted, most of it is, but when you start talking about armed insurrection and the like, you are completely wrong. Both because you are a kid who has no idea what real violence looks like, apparently, and because you don't seem very sophisticated in your philosophy of life. You don't seem to have any real perspective.

I'm not going to argue this with you any further. I've made my point. Be well, kid, and don't take it personally. If you make it to my age, then you'll figure it out eventually.



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 12:16 PM
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And yet again you resort to putting down people. Why don't you just accept this as a constructional argument, seems your taking it personally. Also, just because I am formal, and have manners, does not mean I have read to many books. yes I am well read, and maybe I do not fully realize war time violence, but you know nothing of any of my experiences. Yes age may be on your side sir, but with age does not come wisdom. But you are entitled your own opinions sir, and I am glad you stick to them. But do not underestimate others so easily, there might be more to them then you expect at first.

[edit on 6-2-2009 by Terra Nuovo Umanita]



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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Ahhhhhhhhh .. you are just a whacko commie leftist hippie.


*Mods ... that's a joke .. read the OP.

Good post Daystar. Now .. which one in your story am I?????



posted on Feb, 6 2009 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by username371

Originally posted by Whisper67bi

What I can't figure out is I seriously think those involved with the NWO actually want us to know about it....why? It just doesn't seem so secret anymore, in fact it's very in our faces. Would love to hear some theories on this.





I've had the sneaking suspicion that reality is created by our minds... and the more we believe in this stuff, the more real it becomes.

Maybe instead of detailing what we think they might be up to, we should just work diligently to convince ourselves that their best laid plans will fail.

What if that's the trick? The deception? That our faith in whatever we believe is true can be used against us... we guide our destinies in this multiple reality universe down a road we expect to travel.


Perhaps the joke is on us? We should think happy thoughts?

Trial balloons are floated all the time. Even the nomination of the Republican Senator from New Hampshire as Commerce Secretary was floated for a couple of days before it was announced.

The comments generated resulted in the Democratic Governor nominating another Republican to replace him. Who would have thought that would ever have happened?

We need to let our legislators and senators (and local officials) know how we think on the issues that come up. And we need to encourage our neighbors to do the same.

We need to tell our leaders, "We voted for 'change', but not this kind of change!" on every key issue!

Peaceful revolutions are actually faster and more effective than violent ones!

[edit on 6-2-2009 by CharlesMartel]



posted on Feb, 7 2009 @ 01:20 PM
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You still don't get it.

We live out loud and above board because that is what it means to be free. You don't turn furtive and secretive and join underground groups, because then your little underground group becomes just as dangerous as the "threat" you think you are responding to. Turning secretive means that you really don't believe that most people will accept your reasoning, and you would rather plan activities that the rest of us would not tolerate if openly discussed. That's it. That's all there is to it. The freedom you would seek to preserve IS the freedom to be open and unafraid.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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Obviously you dont get it. We are not afraid of not being accepted by the people. We know they will not listen because of the way the leaders of the world have molded them. They seek security in power, and who has the power. trust in your government, they will not harm you. We will feed you and protect you, do not worry. All the while this supposed security is merely one of many insidious poisons they use to leech into our life's, to the point where they can to some extent control what we'll do, without even pushing us to do it anymore. We all fit into some mold form they have, in one way or another. We must break free of this in order to attain our true rights.You simply don't understand it my friend. There are so many different angles to consider in this world when you want to make a difference. It is not black and white as you would have us think.



posted on Feb, 9 2009 @ 02:30 PM
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It's true that I'm not the sweetest, most mannerly person you will ever meet. However, believe me when I tell you that I'm not trying to be mean and ugly when I say this: seek help. If you are 18 years old or older, then you should definitely seek help, because you are clearly delusional. If you are younger than that, then you can be excused for being on such a strong "hero" trip that you can't see reality.

As I have said before, there is no one oppressing you. Go outside on the street corner and sing happy birthday to the sky. Write a novel. Learn how to fly fish. No one is stopping you. How is the NWO keeping you from doing any of this?



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