New Hampshire Defining Actions by which they can FIRE the U.S. Government

reply to post by PhyberDragon

Why aren't they discussing what The People, and Themselves, will or won't do??

Wow so you are going to cyber flip off the Gov't and that's going to fix it all? I'll tell you what i'm going to do, I'm going to continue doing what i've always done, I live as green as i can I live as self sufficient and self reliant as i can so the day that the big bad gov't shuts down the world as we know it (like that will really happen) I will be ok along with my family.
We can still discuss our soap opera of a gov't for evening entertainment!

Great...now Dale Gribble will have a "Face" on Mt Rushmore...LoL..."Guns don't kill people...the Government does..." OMG...sad but true...

OK...now...who's got the "Camp" Locales...box car counts...plastic Coffin counts...I've heard they're real and even seen video of them...


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reply to post by DarrylGalasso

To assume that there are no good people in government is basically to give up hope and consign one's self to an eventual revolution or war. We know there are some good folks there, the problem is that they account for about 5% of the government.

5% huh? wow we are not so far off, I think about 5% go there uncorrupt but are quicly assimilated. But I do have hope, it's not in the Gov't and it sure is not in Obama or this present Congress.
By the way in my opinion we do not deserve a revolution, and if one happens it will lead to anarchy and a much worse state than we are in now.
I've strayed off-topic though, I hope this bill passes but I smell a rat, time will tell, spreading the idea can only do no harm that;s for sure.



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reply to post by racegunz


I disagree...I think a "Consortium" of States would survive...but I've seen the "break-up" of the US...some aligning with Europe/Asia/Canada/Mexico..kinda scarey...wish I could recall such predictions...made a "major" headline somewhere not to long ago...

en.rian.ru...

georgewashington2.blogspot.com...

OMG the 2nd Link is Wicked...



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reply to post by racegunz


I agree with you completely, if it comes to a revolution, we are gonna be in a far worse situation. The end result may be better, but there will be thousands that die if not millions in the process, many of these will be innocent children and people not associated with either side. I do NOT wish to see a revolution or civil war. I would much more prefer Dr. King's method of bringing about change, of course without being assassinated.

And you may also be right about the 5% thing, my number was just an estimation, for as much as we know every single one of them could be corrupt; however, in the spirit of hope, I am not going to consign myself to that belief.

reply to post by mithrawept

Actually, the last war in 1861 in the US was not a Civil War. The South didn't want to control Washington, therefore, technically, the South fought a war of Independence.

The states joined freely, and it was understood that the states could "unjoin" just as easily. However that POS Lincoln forced us to remain under the control of the Union.

And believe it or not, that was all about state's rights!

Now, more civilized, I doubt that any state that forces the government in Washington to correctly regress to the duties specifically limited by the Constitution, will be assaulted as happened in the early days of the Southern First War for Independence.

All the states have to do is tell the yo-yo's in Washington, "You can't do that. Not only you can't do that, but we don't recognize any of those laws that impinge on our Constitutional States Rights!"

If only one stands up, others will rapidly follow.

The only civil war will be if the states DON'T bust a move to limit Washington.

And that's a given.

My oath was to the Constitution, not the government in Washington.

And right now, Washington is the enemy of our Constitution.


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In Michigan use these links for your views...

www.michigan.gov...

www.senate.michigan.gov...

www.senate.michigan.gov...

reply to post by dooper


Yeah I said the same thing about the civil war on the last page. It was not a war fought over slavery as is taught in the public schools. It was a war about sovereign rights of states to govern themselves. They were fighting for their 10th amendment rights.

I suggest waiting until April 15th to file your taxes if you owe this year, then instead of filing your tax return, file for an extension instead. Perfectly legal. Then file for another extension, and withholdyour taxes until the last possible moment.

If enough people were to do this it would send a clear message to the feds, and has the added bennies of allowing you to use your own money longer, while in the interim tax policy might change and you discover that your taxes will be forgiven.

Or the country will dissolve and whether you paid your federal taxes will become a moot point.

reply to post by racegunz


A Cyber Flip off is just as good as a real one. It is Symbolic of a very real Idea. Yes, it does take care of it all. What you fail to understand is that while you take care of you and yours. I am taking care of not only me and mine, but, standing up, while you are sitting down.

reply to post by apacheman


The best idea i've heard, I will do just that, unless I'm due a refund then, I want them to pay quickly.

reply to post by apacheman


nice...it used my April timeline...15th is my B-Day LOLOLOL...and re-file/delay...NICE also...but don't forget...ANY taxes is a reason for the Season...I believe Kennedy was killed because he was on to something also...as was Lincoln...sooooooooo




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reply to post by PhyberDragon

I usually do sit down while I'm typing on a computer, but hey to each his own. When you come up with a real plan to male a real difference I'll be happy to listen and if I agree with it I'll join you. But until then I don't see how flipping off someone who isn't even looking at you makes any difference,except perhaps in your realm of reality.
What I do see you doing is wasting everyone's time here spouting off nonsense instead of discussing the topic, yep your standing tall!
So if New Hampshire passes this bill where will you stand then? Will you cyber flip them off? Will they know you did it? Hey? are you cyber flipping me off right now? *snip*

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I hope you set a record for flags, stars, and post on this thread.

This is something that needs to stay on the front page for about 6 months.

reply to post by DarrylGalasso


Oh Yeah... I hit-it...Slamo-Blamo...LoL...Coolness...they even send ya a "Wegot it" message...LoL



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Lets keep it civil folks. Everyone is entitled to there opinions without the need for the ad homs.

reply to post by GAOTU789


I agree it's a heated "Discussion" but...that was pretty pointed.


BTW: Lawyers per Citizen on a "Tobacco Like" mass Suit would be interesting to see played out...

Looks like Washington State might be following along with this idea?
Washington Sovereignty

Well...I guess par fer the course...I got 1 confirmed and 1 nonny in Michigan out of 15...hhhmmm..we'll see....

reply to post by spacedoubt


Oh Heck Ya...that's what 4 or 5 listed just today????

We might be on to sumpthin' !!!

I notice their Addendums to lessor bills but still...

WHEREAS, James Madison, "the father of the Constitution," said,
2 "The powers delegated to the federal government are few and defined.
3 Those which are to remain in the state governments are numerous and
4 indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external
5 objects, [such] as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce. The
6 powers reserved to the several states will extend to all the objects
7 which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties,
8 and properties of the people."; and
9 WHEREAS, Thomas Jefferson emphasized that the states are not
10 "subordinate" to the national government, but rather the two are
11 "coordinate departments of one simple and integral whole. The one is
12 the domestic, the other the foreign branch of the same government.";
13 and
14 WHEREAS, Alexander Hamilton expressed his hope that "the people
15 will always take care to preserve the constitutional equilibrium
16 between the general and the state governments." He believed that "this
17 balance between the national and state governments forms a double
18 security to the people. If one [government] encroaches on their
19 rights, they will find a powerful protection in the other. Indeed,
20 they will both be prevented from overpassing their constitutional
21 limits by [the] certain rivalship which will ever subsist between
22 them."; and
23 WHEREAS, The scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means
24 that the federal government was created by the states specifically to
25 be limited in its powers relative to those of the various states; and
26 WHEREAS, Today, in 2009, the states are demonstrably treated as
27 agents of the federal government; and
28 WHEREAS, Many federal mandates are directly in violation of the
29 Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and
30 WHEREAS, The United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v.
31 United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply
32 commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and
33 WHEREAS, A number of proposals from previous administrations and
34 some now being considered by the present administration and from
35 Congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States;
36 NOW, THEREFORE, Your Memorialists respectfully resolve:
37 (1) That the State of Washington hereby claims sovereignty under
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1 the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all
2 powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government
3 by the Constitution of the United States; and
4 (2) That this serve as a Notice and Demand to the federal
5 government to maintain the balance of powers where the Constitution of
6 the United States established it and to cease and desist, effective
7 immediately, any and all mandates that are beyond the scope of its
8 constitutionally delegated powers.
9 BE IT RESOLVED, That copies of this Memorial be immediately
10 transmitted to the Honorable Barack Obama, President of the United
11 States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the
12 House of Representatives, the President of the Senate and the Speaker
13 of the House of Representatives of each state's legislature of the
14 United States of America, and each member of Congress from the State of
15 Washington.
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